Frontloading EQ

[Guiness]

I'm starting an Eq only cycle soon. I was going to go 600mg/wk for about 13 wks but now I'm thinking of frontloading it. I was thinking 2 injections a week. First 2 weeks 500mg per inject then going to 300mg per inject. How does that sound? Should I frontload EQ for 1 or 2 weeks?

Thanks for any advice.

 

[DaddyX]

no need to frontload it at all. do your original plan of 600mg for 13 weeks. sounds good

 

[kronk]

I have seen some play around with it, but have not seen an results that would say it was better than the other due to the half life.

If you are going to give it a run, do it for the first week.

 

[Guiness]

I don't usually frontload but there have been some discussions about it lately. Normally I use enanthate which is also a longer acting esther. People say that takes about as long to kick in as EQ but it generally hits me about 2-3 weeks in at around 500mg/wk. Comming into summer I'm looking for more quality muscle while I'm dieting and the hardness and vascularity that goes with using EQ. I'm not completely sure whether I'm going to frontload or not. Just wanted to see what others thought.

 

[freag34]

i just started an EQ/winny cycle 3 weeks ago. I frontloaded the first 2 weeks. I don't think there's anyone that can tell you "I did it this way, and it worked BETTER", because they have no clue how it would have performed the other way - even comparing last year's cycles with this years are impossible, because diet / growth potential, etc... all change so often.

The concept of frontloading totally makes sense - get the concentrations in your blood up to where you want them to be as fast as possible - if you don't front load you have 3-4 weeks where you're basically on a low dosage of the stuff - what's the point of that?

 

[Mavy]

I am frontloading EQ right now. I believe it is better also, even though many will tell you it dosent make a difference. I am doing 800 mg for the 1st week. 600 for the 2nd week, and then 400 for the remaining 9 weeks.

Mavy

 

[Fredde]

If you don't use dbol or something to kickstart then frontload at least the first week.

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[Zoomster]

I don't think that you need to frontload.

 

[Zyglamail]

With all the talk, I still dont think 90% of the people who comment on frontloading grasp the entire concept.

 

[DNIndustry]

Zyg.
What is the actual amount of "Active" test recommended for good growth?
How much per day? Not per week. Then
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*Thinking out loud*
A stable blood concentration is pretty important. Why do people go by the week. Wouldnt the day be more accurate and effective? Thats like people measuring G by the Cap in stead of by the mL. Wouldnt it be a more apples to apples comparison between esters....100mg Prop per day = Xmg of Enanthate per day = Xmg of phenyl prop...

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg.
What is the actual amount of "Active" test recommended for good growth?
How much per day? Not per week. Then
-----

*Thinking out loud*
A stable blood concentration is pretty important. Why do people go by the week. Wouldnt the day be more accurate and effective? Thats like people measuring G by the Cap in stead of by the mL. Wouldnt it be a more apples to apples comparison between esters....100mg Prop per day = Xmg of Enanthate per day = Xmg of phenyl prop...

How much is needed for growth is based on way to many factors to even comment on and where ones own personal experience will come into play. What most people dont seem to understand is that on a normal cycle where a flat dose is used blood concentrations dont peak until the very last injection of a cycle. Next more frequent injections, especially with long esters are better. Of course anything can be over micromanaged so a compromise is made. If your using 200mg wk test for example and your gear is 200mg/ml it doesnt make much sense to try and shoot 1/4cc 4x a week. However if your using 600mg test a week and its 200mg/ml then its a good idea to shoot it 3x a week.

Basically put a week is simply a simple way for people to lay things out and plan, many do ignor weeks and simply shoot e3d or so. As for comparing different esters, the actual MG of active product varies per mg. The longer the ester generally speaking the less active ingredient which would be something to take into account.

 

[Guiness]

What if rather than doing 1g/wk first 2 weeks then 600mg/wk I just did 800mg/wk all the way through. I understand the concept of frontloading- go high to get concentration up quicker- but what about just upping the dosage throughout? Frontloading is contigent upon what is planned for the cycle- i.e. 600mg/wk. What about finding a median in between? What I'm trying to say is that the actual amount to use could be anything- 600 or 800 or 1000mg/wk. Frontloading will only theorietically get you to the concentration amount decided upon in the beginning. I know this probably doesn't make any sense but its some thoughts I have. The theory frontloading should also mean that just upping the dose and keeping it level throughout would kick in sooner. Doing 800mg/wk over 600mg should make for quicker gains but not as quick as frontloading 1000mg of 1200mg.

 

[drago01]

the theory behind frontloading is that by injecting a substantial amount right out of the gate, ones blood levels will reach there optimal level quicker. thus allowing for in essence, a longer cycle. i always frontload the longer acting esthers such as EQ, cyp, enanthate, etc. someone made the comment that there is no need to front if using dbol. that is misleading to say the least. dbol has absolutely nothing to do with the blood levels of other compounds. dont get me wrong. i love dbol at cycles start, but i think its a pretty basic concept to understand that getting your levels up as fast as possible is critical for maximum growth. a general rule is as follows. always frontload double the maintenance dosage the first week. i.e. if your using 700mgs of cyp a week then frontlaod 1.4g the first week, and 700mgs/wk after that.

 

[jubei]

Personally I would run a cycle for the same amount of length regardless of frontloading. Yes the point of frontloading is to get blood concentration levels up quickly.

Using Dbol to kickstart a cycle makes frontloading redundant because you will be getting good gains from the dbol and after 4-6 weeks the longer acting esters should be at their optimal concentration anyways.

 

[drago01]

using dbol to start a cycle does not make frontloading redundant. lets say i am doing a test cyp, EQ, dbol cycle. the dbol will give me good strength gains for the first 4-6 weeks yes, but it wont do squat to turn those gains into hypertrophy as compared to what the test will do. therefore by getting test levels up as quickly as possible more of the gains will stick and the cycle will be more productive. also, i didnt suggest to modify cycle duration because of frontloading. my point was that a typical 8 week cycle will be more productive if you have optimal levels from weeks 2-8 instead of weeks 4-8, for example. some guys dont want to front, and thats fine. but, to say that those of us that do it are wrong, and wasting our money and gear, is just wrong. isnt there a doc on this board that can enlighten us? every board needs a doc.

 

[Zyglamail]

What if rather than doing 1g/wk first 2 weeks then 600mg/wk I just did 800mg/wk all the way through. I understand the concept of frontloading- go high to get concentration up quicker- but what about just upping the dosage throughout?

Its clear by this statement that you do not understand frontloading at all. Just raising cycle dose from start to finish still means you have a peak AFTER last injection AND the whole cycle hormone levels are climbing. Instead of just having a couple week climb and then remaining stable.

Doing 800mg/wk over 600mg should make for quicker gains but not as quick as frontloading 1000mg of 1200mg.

Yes it would, but it will also use more gear and in turn bring about more sides etc. The idea is to get into a cycle, get levels to a good level and get off a cycle.

 

[TheRide]

I apparently posted the same question... sorry for the duplication. Here is the thread there is some discussion that I felt helpful!! Enjoy!!!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=234767