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Frontloading Basics and Dosages--OPINIONS???

DiamondCutCows

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Frontloading Basics and Dosages

by Curls4dGirls with contributions by Skyefire and Spidey
(Good bros on another board)



The purpose of this thread is to provide some basic information on frontloading, including an explanation of half-lives, differences across esters, and recommended frontloading dosages.

HALF-LIFE BASICS

Each compound includes an ester that, along with other factors, controls the release of the hormone into the system. The rate of release differs by ester and is defined in terms of half-life. The average half-lives of esters are:

ESTER HALF LIFE (days)
Formate 1.5
Acetate 3
Propionate 4.5
Butyrate 6
Valerate 7.5
Hexanoate 9
Caproate 9
Isocaproate 9
Heptanoate 10.5
Enanthate 10.5
Octanoate 12
Cypionate 12
Nonanoate 13.5
Decanoate 15
Undecanoate 16.5

The half-life is the length of time (in days) to release half of the hormone into the system. For example, if 500 mgs of Testosterone Cypionate is administered, in 12 days, on average, 250 mgs of testosterone has been released into the system and 250 mgs of testosterone remains attached to the ester. In another 12 days, an additional 125 mgs (half of the remaining 250 mgs) has been released into the system for a total of 375 mgs released and 125 mgs still attached to the ester. The key detail is that different esters release the hormone into the system at different rates. Therefore, different esters require different frontload dosages.

FRONTLOADING

The purpose of frontloading is to quickly reach the target dosage to more quickly realize the benefits of the AAS. This thread provides instructions to reach 75% of the weekly dosage within the first week

Most people use, as a rule of thumb, twice the weekly dosage (double dosing) in the first week. That works well for esters with a half-life of 10.5 days or less. However, this does not work well for longer esters. Let’s look at EQ as an example. If the intended weekly dosage is 600 mgs, then the frontload dosage, based on double dosing, is 1200 mgs. Although 50% of the intended dosage is reached in the first week, 75% of the intended dosage is not reached until week 4. Without any frontloading, 75% of the intended dosage is reached in week 5. So, while ‘double dosing’ works, the effects diminish with increasing half-life.

EQ Double Dose Values at 600 mgs (1200 mgs in Week 1)

No Frontload
Released… % of Target
Week 1 153… 25%
Week 2 267… 44%
Week 3 352… 59%
Week 4 415… 69%
Week 5 462… 77%
Week 6 497… 83%

Double Dosing
Released… % of Target
Week 1 306… 51%
Week 2 381… 63%
Week 3 437… 73%
Week 4 478… 80%
Week 5 509… 85%
Week 6 532… 89%



The following table includes frontloading dosage to reach 75% of the intended dosage by the end of the first week. The dosages are indexed at 100 mgs / week. To reach your intended dosage, simply multiply the frontload dosage by your weekly dosage divided by 100. For example, if you wanted to run Testosterone Cypionate at 800 mgs / wk, then multiply the frontload dosage of 225 mgs by 8 (800 / 100) for 1800 mgs in week 1.

ESTER FRONTLOAD DOSAGE(mgs)
Formate 100
Acetate 100
Propionate 115
Butyrate 130
Valerate 160
Hexanoate 180
Caproate 180
Isocaproate 180
Heptanoate 200
Enanthate 200
Octanoate 225
Cypionate 225
Nonanoate 250
Decanoate 270
Undecanoate 295


The calculation used is MgDL = MgD * (1/2)^(D/HL), where:

MgDL = Mgs of depot left
MgD = Mgs in depot (total)
D = Days
H = Half-life

Injections for Formate and Acetate are daily. Injections for Propianate are every other day. Injections for Butyrate are every 3 days. All other esters are administered as one injection at the beginning of the week 1. It should be noted that injection frequency does not significantly influence frontloading dosages.
 
athlete.03 said:
Mad props to this post! Newbies, save and study!

Ditto!
 
Incredibly helpful info. Question though. If one were looking to inject twice a week with an ester such as enanthate or cypionate to keep more stable blood levels, would you still look to do the entire frontload in that first shot on week one or half each shot?
 
aaaaaah...ok...now:

1)how would you frontload sustanon propperly being that it has 4 different esters in it? say i wanted to do 500mg/week (250x2).
2)and like zell asked...how would you split the doses?
3)would you only frontload for the first week or would it make sense to frontload for 3 or 4 weeks
 
If I'm way off let me know BUT as I'm about to bring in EQ it is undec. If I want to get 75% by first week and intend for my working dose to be 600-800 then my front load would theoretically be (6 x 295) or (8 x 295) so first week shot is 1770mg - 2360mg.? Am I right? Do you think its doable or is that just to illustrate that you can't get 75% with a longer ester? I am not sure I won't try it.
 
That's good, but I don't think that they took into account the shots on the second week. In the EQ example it shows 44% released in the second week, but the actual dosage would be higher due to the shot done that week. Correct me if I'm wrong... ;)
 
frontloading is key!
the addition of a strong oral like anadrol for the first 2 weeks as a 'jumpstart' is also very effective and works really well with frontloading.
 
I posted the same deal with EQ 3 weeks ago


Day 1 - 1200 mg


then 600 per each week


MAX DOSAGES BY DAY 8...as opposed to middle of thired week with traditionaldosing
 
idcbp said:
If I'm way off let me know BUT as I'm about to bring in EQ it is undec. If I want to get 75% by first week and intend for my working dose to be 600-800 then my front load would theoretically be (6 x 295) or (8 x 295) so first week shot is 1770mg - 2360mg.? Am I right? Do you think its doable or is that just to illustrate that you can't get 75% with a longer ester? I am not sure I won't try it.


you are maiking it too difficult...decide what you want to run...say 600 mg per week...


double that on day one...then 600 per (increment) week, per 4 days etc.
 
Ulter said:
Newbie's have no business frontloading. They need to ease into their cycle in the event they have a bad reaction that they don't know they'll have due to their inexperience with a particular AS.


agreed...and as discussed Eq is not one to attempt with as a newbie
 
The Shadow said:
I posted the same deal with EQ 3 weeks ago


Day 1 - 1200 mg


then 600 per each week


MAX DOSAGES BY DAY 8...as opposed to middle of thired week with traditionaldosing

This thread is basically echoing what Shadow has been saying forever, lol.

He has always preached this shit.
 
DiamondCutCows said:
This thread is basically echoing what Shadow has been saying forever, lol.

He has always preached this shit.

well...it used to be that was the common thought on the board a few years ago...emphasis then shifted to shorter esters etc....
 
I never frontload. With the amount of shit I have to inject there's no way Im even gonna attempt a frontload.
 
Ulter said:
Newbie's have no business frontloading. They need to ease into their cycle in the event they have a bad reaction that they don't know they'll have due to their inexperience with a particular AS.

yup, that's true.
 
thought I'd bump this up. Lots of frontloading q's lately...
 
The Shadow said:
you are maiking it too difficult...decide what you want to run...say 600 mg per week...


double that on day one...then 600 per (increment) week, per 4 days etc.


Yeah, I was planning something simple like that. Still, my question was is the math I'm doing reflective of the original chart? As in, if I was to follow the theory posted above, then I would load EQ at 295 x (total mg intended/100). I just want to know if I've got the practical application of the theory right for EQ which is an undec. if I'm not mistaken?
 
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