Hehe, thanks for the honest advice. I can't wait until he reads this. He is not planning on doing any roids for a long time, which is good. And he has changed his diet alot. When I said he has a good base , I meant that he already has the weight to work with. He definately does not need to put any more on. I have to admit that for just starting to work out he is one pretty strong fucker. This don't sound like much, but within the 1st 2 weeks of working out he was already putting up 225 on bench for reps, which is more than I can do. I wanted him to get some honest opinions from yall to maybe motivate him and make him realize he's a fat ass and not just hear what he wants to hear. I'm just a good friend trying to help him out. He'll probably be reading this sometime tomorrow at work. I think he should go with jubei's advice. Later.