Free day vs. Refeeds

[_jaap_]

im a big propent of leptin manipulation. So would say go refeeds, altho a lot depends on how lean u allrdy are, 2 refeeds a week would be good if you allrdy pretty lean.

The problem with a real cheat day is that people go for bad meal combinations, i.e. high in sat fat simple carbs and low prot. Can u think of anything worse while dieting?

Well no sex mayb

 

[Creatureofnight]

Well since carbs are really the only thing i crave on a diet and most high fat things have no fat counter parts, refeeds usually leave me feeling like i just ate all the things i wasnt supposed to and still didnt mess my diet up.

I would def. opt for the refeeds instead of just gorging, because like stated above gorging will just negate the previous week of dieting and may even set you back.

I dont know about you guys, but i do 12 hour refeeds every third day and i dont even count my cal on refeeds. I just go by hunger and dont pig out at one sitting. I dont think im going (if i even am) over the 50% mark in cals above maintence and i havent slowed my progress yet.

I believe Par even stated that if your refeeds are short (8-12) hours, then you can really eat all the carbs you want and just keep fat low and protein at around 1gram per lb. Maybe he could clear this up but i think it had something to do w/ your body wont likely turn those carbs into fat in short time periods (8-12 )hours and will be too bust using the carbs to raise leptin levels.

I dont want to put words in his mouth, but i belive it was something to this extent, in that very long thread (the one that was like 8 pages) on refeeding and leptin.

Curious about this, so if Par is listening i would like to hear his thoughts on the matter also.

 

[Kid Dynamite]

OK Plornive.

If I am doing a CKD do I take the carbup/refeed days macronutrients and cut the cals/pro/carbs/fat in half and do one on say Wednesday and Saturday?

I think the refeed time frame according to the CKD is 56 total hours so say a full day on Wed and Sat?

It's better not to do 2 carb-ups a week on a CKD. That would give maybe 2 full days/week in ketosis. If you want to do 2 refeeds a week, I'd switch diets.

 

[Kid Dynamite]

Thanks KD. So would you say for me(210lbs 17%) that I should eat 3500 on refeeds and less than 2500 calories on normal days?

Refeed at around 50% above maintenece and diet at 10 to 20% below. That would probably be best.
Oh yeah, regarding re-feeding, having one so called "bad meal" like a few slices pizza or something won't hurt. I was saying that a full day of this will screw you, both physically and psychologically.

 

[Par Deus]

I believe Par even stated that if your refeeds are short (8-12) hours, then you can really eat all the carbs you want and just keep fat low and protein at around 1gram per lb. Maybe he could clear this up but i think it had something to do w/ your body wont likely turn those carbs into fat in short time periods (8-12 )hours and will be too bust using the carbs to raise leptin levels.

Though a simplification, that is basically correct.

 

[plornive]

OK Plornive.

If I am doing a CKD do I take the carbup/refeed days macronutrients and cut the cals/pro/carbs/fat in half and do one on say Wednesday and Saturday?

I think the refeed time frame according to the CKD is 56 total hours so say a full day on Wed and Sat?

I'm with KD in that you want to stay in ketosis for a while once you get there. I was speaking with regard to non-ketogenic diets earlier.

 

[CrystalChick]

RE

What about a cheat meal....? Eat clean all day long ad have a cheat dinner?

What are your opinions???

Thanks CC

 

[HarmsWayBC]

Par Deus,

Could you elaborate on the process of how the carbs ingested in an 8-12 hour refeed are not used or stored, but rather 'wasted' as heat by the body? This process reminds me of the prcoess oxidative phosphorylation (please forgive my awful spelling) that occurrs with Usnic Acid and DNP (if memory serves me correct)...are these calories simply wasted or do they go to glycogen stores mostly?

 

[Cuts]

Re: RE

What about a cheat meal....? Eat clean all day long ad have a cheat dinner?

What are your opinions???

Thanks CC

lol... this type of question is all too familiar to me... I always post stuff like this HOPING that SOMEBODY AT LEAST ONE FRIGGIN PERSON I DON'T CARE IF HE HAS 3 TOTAL POSTS will say "it's o.k" so I can feel better about screwing around lol. But seriously, I think this was addressed further up in the post -- the consensus seemed to be that one all out cheat MEAL per week was fine/excusable--just as long as it didn't last the whole day.

Good luck!

P.S. I think it is SO cool that we have chicks on these boards too