Frack....why do you think that 9/11 was "sponsored" internally???

[FreakMonster]

this sounds like you believe there was a conspiracy on some level.

You read to much into things. Plus I thought you were going to bed! Time to get that rest so you can think properly.

 

[spongebob]

You read to much into things. Plus I thought you were going to bed! Time to get that rest so you can think properly.

goodmorning sweetie! i see your not even touching the arlen spector issue. keep back peddling you conspiracy nut!

 

[SUST-MAN]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only right winger here....Thx Ario, I agree with you 100%. As far as the government saying 9/11 could have been prevented, it's not meant to say that someone knew exactly what, where, when, and how. There was an earlier post saying that we (the US) would have never gotten support if it were not for 9/11......what support are you speaking of? The French, Germany, Russia, the GD UN....or the thousands of people who are antiwar but are insistant on adding to our deficit by conducting useless rallies. If you are one of those that thinks we should have given Saddam another 12 years to build up his chemical arsenal, aquire nuclear weapons to sell or use, continue to torture and kill people who can't stand up for themselves, and allow his son to continue to rape little girls, you are a sad being. Why are we in Iraq, because we finally have a President with balls who has decided that enough is enough. If you seriously think his intensions are based on being re-elected, your dumb. I proudly serve my country, and back our President 100%

Egressor, WHen i said that we would not get support....I meant that the Bush admin thought that after 9/11, (a) the American people would be 100% behind him (b) the other countries would support us in our fight against "TERROR".

The Admin saw this as a great opportunity, in fact, a "PEARL HARBOR-LIKE" opportunity to execute a plan that they have had for many years now....THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY"....written by all the Bush Admin Elites in the early 90's

 

[SUST-MAN]

well correct me if i am wrong but i was under the impression that you believed 9-11 was strickly tied to the bush admin. i was just asking if you thought clintons admin could have been involved. now are you saying that it was an intelligence conspiracy?

i am looking for little things to pick apart because thats what you do when you deconstruct an arguement. if you pick apart enough of the pieces then the conspiracy will be debunked.

just like the post you made earlier about arlen spector as to imply he meant someone let it happen. that simply wasnt the case.

as far as the rowley letter, i will read it later and reply. its late.

I was the one who linked the CLinton ADmin.....very loosly i might add. I have NO evidence behind that statement....it was just a thought. And i never said that i believe it either...but it could make sence.

For anyone who thinks that the US governement never has an alterior motive.....or never makes plans that go further than 4 years....WAKE UP

 

[SUST-MAN]

And you can all call us conspiracy theorists....and i dont mind that.

But you have to look deeper into stories than FOX NEWS!

Cmon....how often do we finally find out the true motives of government officials YEARS AND YEARS after the incident.

To say that we should just accept all our governments actions at face value is completely ignorant.

Look, Freak and I are not saying that WE KNOW FOR SURE that the Bush admin...or the Clinton Admin are behind anything. No one will know for sure for years....and maybe never.

But if you really look at the facts, you have to admit that the motive was always there (PNAC).....a major incident occured (9-11)......and Immediatly, the Bush Admin was speaking about invading Iraq (WHICH NO ONE CAN LINK WITH ALQAEDA)

In fact....The Bush admin has been humiliated by being cought lie after lie after lie trying to link irq & bin laden.

Just try to think here.....What corporation big wigs are not always greedy or money hungry....how often to they begin to stab more and more people in the back to gain more wealth and power.

THE US IS THE MOST POWERFUL AND RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!

 

[FreakMonster]

1. so you are saying it was a systematic failure and not at all a conspiracy at any level?

2.lol. you presented a qoute taken out of context by arlen spector and used it to bolster your arguement and at the same time apparently didnt read the entire article or failed to comprehend it in its entirety. i pointed it out and my arguements are way off?!? ok, whatever!

We are going to have to realize that we will never agree on arlen's comment. He stated 9-11 COULD have been prevented. What else do you want? I really don't understand where your stance on this issue is? Are you saying that we could not have prevented 9-11? All you seem to do is want to argue with me.

There is so much evidence out there that points to the incompetency of the FBI before 9-11 for example did you know that after Sept. 11 the panel on the Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee Staff showed that investigators in the FBI office in New York, then the Bureau's antiterrorism center, received orders from Washington on August 29, 2001 to abort a criminal probe of the hijackers after NY agents learned that one of the terrorist suspects whose identity and intentions had been known to the CIA for 18 months had reentered the US on July 4?

There were at least 12 specific warnings to the FBI and CIA that Bin Laden was planning a major strike to the US. Why did they allow the attacks to happen with the information they were provided?
Why is the Bush Administration resisting an independent commission of inquiry with full subpoena power and the ability to question ranking American officials about the intelligence failure?
There are so many unanswered gaps in the existing record about the decision-making process at the top. It was these actions by decisionmakers that let 9-11 happen. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

 

[SUST-MAN]

If you guys really want information about the incompetance of the CIA\FBI etc....Read "SEE NO EVIL"

Its about Robert Bear, a CIA agent that was deeply involved in the mid east.....and how they cut the legs out from under him during the clinton administration.

EXCELLENT BOOK!!!!!!!

 

[Testosterone boy]

You tend to educate yourself before stating beliefs so I'm truly interested in your rational.

My belief system would be incomprehensibly challenged if I thought our own government plotted that. I could not imagine a state of happiness with such a belief.

Well.....this thread is pretty big and Frackal remains dormant.

You never know what threads will take off!

 

[SUST-MAN]

I know i should have waited for Frack to answer the initial question....but i had to put in my 2 cents....

 

[ariolanine]

LOL, you are just getting ridiclous!! Are you telling me that a Muslim agent refusing to investigate a fellow Muslim who is a terrorist is racial profiling?

Absolutely not. I am telling you that the reason a muslim agent has the power to refuse that order and not be reprimanded is due to white guilt and the fear of being accused of racism. If it was a white agent then the shit would hit the fan. A muslim agent is untouchable. You know that.