Frack....why do you think that 9/11 was "sponsored" internally???

[spongebob]

I was the one who linked the CLinton ADmin.....very loosly i might add. I have NO evidence behind that statement....it was just a thought. And i never said that i believe it either...but it could make sence.

you need to re-read all the post and then you will understand why i asked him about the clinton admin being involved. i was not confused thinking you said it.

i will try to explain it to you. freakmonster posted about two agents telling a story that they were told to "let sleeping dogs lay". he attached a link and when you read the entire article it clearly shows that they were told that during the time clinton was in office.

that is why i asked him that question.

no offense but please read all post and attached links carefully and comprehend what is going on, it is irritating to have to explain the fundalmentals.

 

[spongebob]

We are going to have to realize that we will never agree on arlen's comment. He stated 9-11 COULD have been prevented. What else do you want? I really don't understand where your stance on this issue is? Are you saying that we could not have prevented 9-11? All you seem to do is want to argue with me.

i already explained to you what i believed arlen spector's comment referred to.

look, if you believe that 9-11 was a systematic failure, meaning no conspiracy or hidden agenda by govt officials, then we have nothing more to discuss.

 

[spongebob]

Ya urban legend my ass. You really need to shut up before I make you look really stupid.


Two veteran FBI investigators say they were ordered to stop investigations into a suspected terror cell linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/FBI_whistleblowers021219.html

That doesn't look like an URBAN LEGEND to me!!!!!!!

People are not THAT stupid, except some people like you. More and more people each day are getting very tired of all this and undergoing rapid change in their formerly closely held beliefs. They don't trust the government. They know the govternment is lying, they sense very strongly that the government is the one behind the September 11th attacks. They are being propagandized to at a level never before seen. And their anger is building. And there are indications here and there that the secret government's neatly constructed plot is fraying at the edges. There's too many stories out there for them to manage and ALL of them seem like they can unravel at a moments notice.

Sure Bin Laden's men are carrying out the strikes but make no mistake about it, someone here, left the door open a little too wide for a thinking person to believe it was a mistake

And they're going to do it again.
It’s just too obvious to avoid. We should all be talking about it, shouting it out from the rooftops, writing letters to our congressman (or tying them to rocks and throwing them through their windows.) Our future’s at stake. And the City of New York is at stake. And the lives of Americans is at stake. It is clear in our analysis that there are too many corollaries and similarities to ignore that point directly to military intelligence involvement in the September 11th attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. There are too many facts swirling around these suspicious events that bear the hallmarks of a planned military intelligence style operation.

and your telling me that you didnt say it was a conspiracy??

im beginning to wonder if you are even human. i hope, no i pray that you are age 12.

 

[p0ink]

still haven't had any response from p0ink or yourself.

you never gave any reasons for opposing the war; you only gave one sentence responses to each of my reasons.

 

[Testosterone boy]

you never gave any reasons for opposing the war; you only gave one sentence responses to each of my reasons.

Well this is page 4 and that is more than I got out of him.

 

[Frackal]

Alright alright lol -

First poink, yes but the point of my "p0ink what are your reasons for this war" thread was to hear your reasons, dispute them if I disagreed, then listen to your responses....that's what I was interested in.

Now, 9/11:

This is so huge it would take weeks of research to compile anything truely in-depth, and it would take a book to do so.

However, I'll give you a few of my thoughts here, and try to summarize my (only somewhat tentative) beliefs, which have been formed over the year and a half since 9/11.


First, we look at history. Due to historical knowledge of the way past wars have been started, I would automatically question the instigating event for any war.

Here is an interesting and rather prophetic article about wars started under false pretenses, written before 9/11.

The history:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html

(has a hearty round of Clinton-bashing for you neocons on here)



- NOT in America you say? There's no way OUR government would KILL fellow Americans to push an agenda?

Review Operation Northwoods*. A plan hatched by the Pentagon to kill Americans by running black ops in the US committing terrorist acts:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html



- MOTIVE , the key to any crime. The motives are numerous and obvious, I don't think they have to be delved into deeply here, but I'll briefly review, IMO, some of the motivations for this:

- PNAC idealism/Globalisation www.newamericancentury.org

- Israeli Interests

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

(Fox News Story and others)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

- Oil (come on, we all know it's a factor. Anyone notice in his War speech Bush mentioned not burning oil wells BEFORE saying not to use WMD?)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/business/programmes/moneyprogramme/archive/oil.shtml



These are some of the prime reasons for this action IMO. WMD doesn't fall on this list. And freeing the Iraqi people DEFINITELY doesn't fall on the top list.

I think as stated in an interesting article I read the other day, if Bush was really concerned with WMD proliferation, he'd send more money to Russia to help secure those poorly secured nuke sites.




Evidence of Criminal Foreknowledge:

This can get pretty complicated, and would be the core of a truly succint report. I'll include a few interesting tidbits.

CIA Linked Investors Insider Trading Leaves Serious Questions About Government Foreknowledge:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illegaltrades.html

Large Archive of other newslinks detailing Govt. foreknowledge:

http://www.infowars.com/resources.html#PRIOR_CIA

The Coverup:

If there was nothing to hide, such efforts to keep hidden would not be made.

This too could be a booklength piece, but as promise I'll include a few tidbits of information that I think relevant, for more you'll have to delve further yourself, or I can post more later.

Freak has already presented some Clinton negligence.

We (should) all know that Bush and Bin Ladens go way back as business partners, Senior and Junior. That in itself should raise STRONG QUESTIONS. We are supposed to believe that OBL is a black sheep and the rest of the Saudi Bin Ladens are not like this? Yet the FBI was investigating 2 other Bin Ladens pre-9/11?

- The current family that heads our country has direct and continued links to the current family of the man responsible for the single largest attack on our country in history.

I find this extremely disturbing in and of itself. The associations obviously exist.

Prior Knowledge Article Compliation:

Master Secret Keeper Kissinger Resigns from 9/11 Investigation Panel Amid Controversy. Bush reluctant for independent investigation

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/kissinger.resigns/

http://www.infowars.com/resources.html#BUSH

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I think this is enough to get started. I hope the partisan ponies don't get all upset because I'm ripping on Bush as well as Clinton. This partisan warring/distraction is a major downfall to our (and other) country.

But I digress.

Basically here is my logic:



- Many other wars have been started by false pretext -

- This Event has been used to start what will likely be a Series of Wars. Wars that have been planned years in advance.

- 9/11 is a myriad of unanswered questions and mysteries. Everything from Euro reports of our top FBI guy resigning in disgust and his investigations being stymied by the Amin to reports that I happened across on the radio tonight of military being ordered not to launch intercept craft no matter what on 9/11.

So we have a pre-planned massive agenda. We have an initiation event, surrounded in mystery. We have a coverup, and strong proof of foreknowledge.

This is enough, in light of everything else going on, all the lies, past and present, all I've read, for me to say that I believe that this is a strong possibility.

Hope I have given a brief outline of my thoughts that is helpful T-boy. My opinion is that 9/11 may have been a Black-Operation.

 

[collegiateLifter]

if it is really true that the steel beams were removed from WTC reckage before being examined as evidence, then i find that highly suspect. not sure how to verify that through more conventional media though. good post frack.

 

[FreakMonster]

and your telling me that you didnt say it was a conspiracy??

im beginning to wonder if you are even human. i hope, no i pray that you are age 12.

Either way you cut it there was a reckless disregard for the known dangers before September 11th!!! The warnings were there and they were not investigated thoroughly. How how hard is that to understand?

 

[FreakMonster]

Absolutely not. I am telling you that the reason a muslim agent has the power to refuse that order and not be reprimanded is due to white guilt and the fear of being accused of racism. If it was a white agent then the shit would hit the fan. A muslim agent is untouchable. You know that.

WHITE GUILT? On who's part? He was given a fucking order to do HIS JOB by wearing a wire to investigate another muslim and he refused because he said it was against his religion to do so. His superior was not afraid of being accused a racism. PLEASE. His superior knew these terrorists were assets. This was a plain cover up. Did you know the two Muslims that the FBI Agent was supposed to investigate are terrorists? Kadi is suspected of financing Osama bin Laden. He is on the U.S. government's "dirty dozen" list of leading terror financiers being investigated by the CIA.
The other guy he was investigating Sami Al-Arian, the Florida university professor was finally indicted for funneling money to an array of Mideast terror groups.

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE COVER UP HERE?

 

[spongebob]

Either way you cut it there was a reckless disregard for the known dangers before September 11th!!! The warnings were there and they were not investigated thoroughly. How how hard is that to understand?

i have always said it was a systematic failure involving the intelligence community, the FFA, the immigration services, etc.

what you seem to imply is that there was intentional disregard with a govt. agenda to provoke interest in the US going to war to establish control over mid east oil. that sounds like a conspiracy to me.

do you understand the difference between the two?