For those who think you drop size after a cycle

[waterboy]

Oct 10th was my last cycle its been about 5 1/2 months since my last cycle I have lost some power and keept "all my size/mass "...........and even lost b.f since then all I have been on is protien thats it and a good diet .SO Im woundering about the people who were saying that (no matter what you always go back to your natural peek and you lose size) Im starting to think Im going to stay this size as long as a work out .And I know for a fact I would not be as big as I am if it was not for juice .

 

[rugger88]

Damn I wish I was like that. M month ago I finished a dbol/test cycle and ive lost ten pounds and a little strength.

 

[waterboy]

Damn I wish I was like that. M month ago I finished a dbol/test cycle and ive lost ten pounds and a little strength.

I was not taulking about one cycle Ive done 4 cycles ..you might have lost water weight wich could acount for 8 or so pounds

 

[waterboy]

Bump to hear what others think

 

[RustyTromboneMan]

I have done more than 1 or 2 cycles and its different everytime. Sometimes I keep evrything and sometimes I lose a lot of it. I think it mainly has to do with how you train and eat afterwards. Everyone trains and diets well when there juicing its doing it when your not that is the hard part

 

[LionelHutz]

I agree 100%

I've been off over a year now and I haven't lost more than 5 lbs. Considering that I put on 55 lbs in the 3 years I was juicing, I'm pretty happy.

I think the IGF/GH helped a lot in keeping the gains.

 

[waterboy]

Re: I agree 100%

I've been off over a year now and I haven't lost more than 5 lbs. Considering that I put on 55 lbs in the 3 years I was juicing, I'm pretty happy.

I think the IGF/GH helped a lot in keeping the gains.

I never took GH but that is my plan in about a year and a half ...to do one big ass GH cycle along with a healthy amount of juice and then keep my size and leave steroids alone for good.

 

[Hauge]

I keep about 90-100% of my gains off cycles and so does my training partner. If you keep up your supplements and train hard and eat right after your cycle you will do alright. Muscle is muscle and wont just dissapear cause your off, weight will go down cause of water but the muscle will stay. Just from my own experience.

 

[waterboy]

You guys have not read a old post awhile back ....I forget who posted it but he was saying no matter what unless you take HGH you will lose your size or go back to your natural peek over time of no use of aas ...

 

[LionelHutz]

>>I never took GH but that is my plan in about a year and a half ...to do one big ass GH cycle along with a healthy amount of juice and then keep my size and leave steroids alone for good.

If I were ever to juice again, I wouldn't do a cycle w/o gh/igf.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I think the people who post "you lose it all!" are just bitter people. Juice is juice, it's no miracle drug. It will only do what your own genetics would allow you to do. Some people's genetics aren't as good as others. So if someone loses, doesn't mean everyone will. I have never lost anything from a cycle.

Look at some older pro's. Lou Ferrigno is still a big guy, at 6'5, 275. Sure he doesn't look as big as he did in his come back in the early 90s, but still big. Arnold, while not the same Arnie from Olympia days, still has some impressive arms. If they lost it all, would they still be big, even at ages 48-50 plus? And to those who say replacement test from docs, bs. Again, just bitter comments in my opinion.

I also love the people who call bullshit on pros for not telling us what they take. Then when a pro does come forward, and tells what he takes, everyone says "bullshit!". So these guys can't win either way. Like their bodies are super special. Well, wait, in a way they are. These guys have incredible genetics. So would it be that hard to believe, that if someone with lousy genetics can gain 30lbs off of 500mg a test a week, for 8 weeks, a person with incredible genetics would need more, just to gain the same? Bullshit.

Oh well, I might get flammed. But, I'm sure it's by the same people who bitch about losing everything in a month, and who say they can't gain naturally, even though they just do machines all week and eat cans of tuna with a shake....

 

[Him1]

Waterboy

I think the guy who posted that may have had something different in mind. Although I also keep most of my gains... I do believe that everyone has a max amt. of muscle that their bosies will hold naturally. So, after you've surpassed that by juicing, I think it makes sense that a layoff from juice could result in a loss of mass. Just my .02.

 

[Saltee]

3 weeks off and haven't lost a pound or strength yet. It's still to early to tell.

 

[mvmaxx]

Waterboy - Excellent post! I'm glad to see you've retained all of your gains and I definitely believe that one can maintain all of their gains by taking arimidex/liquidex throughout the cycle to keep water retention down and then keeping a high protein diet and solid lifting routine in check while off cycle.

I have a friend who I try to model myself after. He did a cycle in 1994 and gained some solid mass. Since then he has stayed natural and competed in some natural shows. He's 100% dedicated and looks amazing year round. He would be the guy you look at in the gym and say "oh, he's on something" when he really isn't. He just recently competed and used gear again to help maintain his muscle mass while getting down to a very low bf%. But it's the fact that he maintains a 6-8% bf% year round w/o gear that is the most impressive thing to me.

BTW, havoc was the one that started those threads about not being able to keep your gains post cycle. I believe, and I may be wrong, that he hasn't even done gear and unless someone has experienced it for themselves then it's very difficult to speak on. Feel free to correct me here havoc as I did a search and found no evidence that you've ever done a cycle.

 

[waterboy]

BTW, havoc was the one that started those threads about not being able to keep your gains post cycle. I believe, and I may be wrong, that he hasn't even done gear and unless someone has experienced it for themselves then it's very difficult to speak on. Feel free to correct me here havoc as I did a search and found no evidence that you've ever done a cycle.

It might have been him but there was a another guy who made a thread to

 

[CN1]

Hey C3bodybuilder, I dont know what the fuck your smokin but lou ferrigno still juices I see him everyday at the gym, and Im sure arnold before some movies takes some low dose shit, bro lou ferigno was shrunk to asses, till about 9 months ago, he started to blow up and get huge and hard again, dont fool yourself these guys never stop roids.

 

[Lguy00]

i would be happy if i could keep 75% of my gains off of my dbol sus deca cycle. everyone is telling me i will loose around half of it.

 

[PBR]

Dropping off

Cycling AAS is a process-very simply put- its 2 to 3 steps forward and 1 step back. gain a-little, keep a little, gain a little and so on. after a period of time your base body weight should be more than it used to be- done correctly. I am of the same opinion- the guys that have used GH will keep better than without-I have made permanent gains. several years ago I had a base BW of 205 it is now 230 w/out the use of AAS. it takes time to put on mature muscle mass and keep it.

 

[Mr_Pincushonass]

I keep all my gains because I always eat sleep and trian. It has been about 8 months since my last cycle which was my first, and I have gained more muscle and dropped more fat since. Maybe my natural peak is a lot bigger because im still gaining even off a cycle. Everyone is different.

Example, I know people who lose their gains after a cycle faster than they gain it. Oh well.

 

[occam]

I began at 155lbs, four cycles later I'm at 200 very solid pounds. I have gotten up to 215, but over the past year and a half "let" myself come back down.

I manage to keep upwards of 80% of my gains and actually that stat improves each time I go on.

I guess half of it is learning how your body works, the rest is your program.

Common sense will tell you gains are not inherently temporary.

Eat and train smart and you will keep the majority of the quality pounds you put on.

This does not apply to a-bombs or others of that nature.

 

[latinmuscle]

When I started juicing I was 170, I've gained about 10 lbs. in each of the cycles I've done, I'm on my 4th cycle right now. I reached my top weight at 200, I did loose overall about 8 pounds, over time. So I'm at 192 most of the time. Right now I'm at 195 on my 3rd week of sus, taking 500mg/week.

 

[bodmin]

I'm 40 and finished a 6 week Deca only cycle two months ago. Haven't lost nuthin'. In fact I have gained an extra two kilos sinced I've stopped. Way I see it...you gotta keep on training hard...maybe even harder than when you are juicing, and of course...eat..eat..eat. I eat every two or three hours.

peace

the bodmin:havoc:

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I was to use primo toward the end of the cycle and do things needed to get natural test levels back quicker (ie clomid) then you keep most gains. I think to say diet and training is involved...it is a given. I also think using creatine helps during and after cycle. I also agree everyone is different and some people can not keep on the gains after juicing.