For the nice guys

[VeggieLifterChick]

Hyena Study May Offer Lesson for Human Mating Game
Reuters
May 13 2003 7:06PM

LONDON (Reuters) - Friendly rather than aggressive behavior is the way to win the ladies, judging by research into hyenas' mating patterns by British and German scientists published on Wednesday.

Scientists used genetic techniques to study the mating tactics used by three clans of spotted hyenas from the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania.

Male hyenas that tried to be friendly rather than aggressive had far more luck with the ladies, according to their study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society.

Males did not get very far if they tried to coerce or monopolize female hyenas. Those that took the time and energy to develop relationships had more luck in siring offspring.

"What this paper reveals is the enormous amount of sexual politics among members of large hyena clans. I suspect that many might think females would choose to mate with socially dominant males...but our results show this is not the case with hyenas," said Marion East, from the Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin. "The friendlier male hyenas are, and the longer they stick around, the more favorably they are looked on by female hyenas," she added.

Females were impressed by "grooming, greeting, and amicable gestures," according to the study. Shadowing a prospective partner for weeks or months or trying to defend a female from the attention of other male hyenas was considered a turn-off.

In another blow to male self-confidence, the study showed that some males were simply bad at understanding when females were receptive and fertile.

To further undermine attempts by dominant male hyenas to monopolize paternity and counter infanticide, some females would mate with several partners.

05/13/03 19:02 ET

 

[danielson]

all this proves one thing

hyena's are more evolved than us. and hyena females are sluts

both are good if ur a male hyena

 

[slobberknocker]

Assertion, not aggression.


One more thing: Hyena chicks put out.

 

[strider364]

I still think nobody knows what the hell is going on when it comes to the mating game...

 

[bwood]

i dont think that modeling behavior after
an animal that eats its own feces is a
good idea...

call me crazy...

 

[Frackal]

That's great if you're a fucking hyena


BTW, arent you the whiny girl who cheated on her BF while he was in the military?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Didn't "cheat" on him (in his opinion - which is the one that counts...anyway if you re-read the thread you'll see a lot of people didn't think it was cheating since nothing really happened technically, whatever). I did come way close to it, and felt really awful about it. Anyways, still with him, quite seriously, but now with fewer boundaries.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

BTW, Frack, didn't you used to be pretty nice? Seen some of your posts lately, you seem more and more assholish. You should pay attn to the hyena study.

 

[-SD-]

That's great if you're a fucking hyena


BTW, arent you the whiny girl who cheated on her BF while he was in the military?

Superslam, bruh.

Humans have quite a bit more mental skills and cognizance than hyenas do. And nice guys are the ones who end up all needy and whiny and shit, so really they are more aggressive for attention, while the assholes and jerks who get laid all the time couldnt give a shit about the female, therefore he arouses interest in her then plays headgames with her until she has sex with him out of frustration all the while wondering "does he like me now?" "will he spend more time with me, now that he is railing my ass????" Its a revolving door, she doesnt get the attention she needs so she has to continually subjugate herself to his whim, all the while he doesnt give a shit about her. So hes really not the aggresive one, the nice guy is because he wont leave her the fuck alone with his lame ass.
LOL
ez muny

 

[big_bad_buff]

not for the nice guy

 

[vinylgroover]

BTW, Frack, didn't you used to be pretty nice? Seen some of your posts lately, you seem more and more assholish. You should pay attn to the hyena study.

Now you'll definitely get a dose of the 'old' Frack

 

[sigweed]

BTW, arent you the whiny girl who cheated on her BF while he was in the military?

baZAM

its ok though, cause cheating is fine if you really like the guy you're cheating on!

 

[The Red Dragon]

Yeah and female praying mantuses cut the head off the male after fucking him. Black widows bites the male after mating...hmm maybe that should be a warning to guys...humans and other animals are a lot alike

 

[-SD-]

BTW, Frack, didn't you used to be pretty nice? Seen some of your posts lately, you seem more and more assholish. You should pay attn to the hyena study.

If he followed the hyenas he wouldnt get laid anymore.
You pretty much cheated because your man doesnt have any self respect since he took you back. Its like hes working with less than zero as far as balls go so you sort of have to adjust the definition of cheating for you two in order to justify the whole mess.

 

[Burning_Inside]

all this proves one thing

hyena's are more evolved than us. and hyena females are sluts

both are good if ur a male hyena

wurd life.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

If he followed the hyenas he wouldnt get laid anymore.
You pretty much cheated because your man doesnt have any self respect since he took you back. Its like hes working with less than zero as far as balls go so you sort of have to adjust the definition of cheating for you two in order to justify the whole mess.

Did you read the thread? Read it and then tell me if you even think its cheating. I didn't even kiss the guy. Anyways, it happened because he left for 3 months - no contact, not phone, nothin. And no, it wasn't a deployment, so you can't throw your pseudo-patriotic sob guilt on there either. Try having your source of affection leave for 3 months and see if you don't have any weaknesses towards a friend who shows interest. And then see if you can keep yourself from doing anything when that someone makes a move.

I think you, and probably a lot of other guys on this board, got cheated on, and every time you can you just try and slam me because it makes you feel empowered. I'm not the girl that cheated on you. If you weren't such an insensitive prick with roast beef for brains, or maybe if you were a little hotter, then your girl probably wouldn't have wandered.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Anyways, about the topic of this post.

The science behind human mating choice/behavior is as follows. Women choose men who show emotional investment to pair-bond with. These are often guys who are not particularly high quality in looks/genetics, and they make up for it by providing what a female wants in a long term partner and caregiver for her offspring.

But when women are at the fertile, they seek extra-pair copulations (read: to "cheat") with higher quality men (hotties) who can afford to be assholes because their genetic quality/symmetry/looks are attractive enough that they can get laid without investing emotionally or financially.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Tell it to the 30 million american women who want to fuck Eminem. An angry, embarassing, high school dropout whigger who sings about raping his mom.

Virtually every guy on EF who i know is good with women manipulates them.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

if manipulating them means knowing what to say/do to impress them, um, no shit.

Eminem has power, social status and a ton of wealth.

 

[Lao Tzu]

that if we put them in a dance club, and told them to use their theories to try and get laid...they wouldn't even get half way to first base, with the fattest chick in the club, after having dissolved 19 beers even with a card that says they're professional millionaire dudes.

-= nav =-

I rest my case. And i see superdave, the platinum pimp of plumper pfucking has denied this theory too. Now all we need is plornive to give it the thumbs down.

 

[biteme]

Anyways, about the topic of this post.

The science behind human mating choice/behavior is as follows. Women choose men who show emotional investment to pair-bond with. These are often guys who are not particularly high quality in looks/genetics, and they make up for it by providing what a female wants in a long term partner and caregiver for her offspring.

But when women are at the fertile, they seek extra-pair copulations (read: to "cheat") with higher quality men (hotties) who can afford to be assholes because their genetic quality/symmetry/looks are attractive enough that they can get laid without investing emotionally or financially.

I have seen a lot of ugly dudes with fine women. I always think, how did they do that? I see it the other way around too.

I was in a club not to long ago. I don't think that I look that good anymore except for my body. I heard these women say, "That guy is stuck on himself." I didn't do anything for them to say this. Guess it was just having a good body.

 

[slobberknocker]

Superslam, bruh.

Humans have quite a bit more mental skills and cognizance than hyenas do. And nice guys are the ones who end up all needy and whiny and shit, so really they are more aggressive for attention, while the assholes and jerks who get laid all the time couldnt give a shit about the female, therefore he arouses interest in her then plays headgames with her until she has sex with him out of frustration all the while wondering "does he like me now?" "will he spend more time with me, now that he is railing my ass????" Its a revolving door, she doesnt get the attention she needs so she has to continually subjugate herself to his whim, all the while he doesnt give a shit about her. So hes really not the aggresive one, the nice guy is because he wont leave her the fuck alone with his lame ass.
LOL
ez muny

This is one of the most intelligent paragraphs I've ever read on this subject. I'd give you karma, but I just gave it to you on another thread. So instead, kudos to you.

 

[Lao Tzu]

But when women are at the fertile, they seek extra-pair copulations (read: to "cheat") with higher quality men (hotties) who can afford to be assholes because their genetic quality/symmetry/looks are attractive enough that they can get laid without investing emotionally or financially.

I disagree. I think women like and seek out assholishness. Not abusive assholishness, just aloof 'i can do better and you aren't important' assholishness.

 

[Lao Tzu]

if manipulating them means knowing what to say/do to impress them, um, no shit.

Eminem has power, social status and a ton of wealth.

no shit? i'm not the one posting crap to make women look more mature than they really are.

Eminem is a total failure as a human being aside from his fame/money, and his concern for his daughter. It really speaks alot for female maturity that people like Eminem are considered sex symbols.

 

[biteme]

Most all the women that I had sex with, I played the I don't give a shit role. I was nice though. They just knew that I was after 1 thing and I didn't try to conceal it. Most older women (30 and up) are different, they have to have some kind of attachment, committment, b4 they will have sex.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

I disagree. I think women like and seek out assholishness. Not abusive assholishness, just aloof 'i can do better and you aren't important' assholishness.

Its not a matter of what you agree with. This is how it is. I'm not talking about psychology, or the particular game you play at a club. I'm also not saying that women choose their men by asking themselves consciously what they want, and for what purpose, or that they know or consider how fertile they are at that moment.

But women do prefer men of higher genetic quality, as evidenced by symmetry studies, only when they are the most fertile in their menstrual cycle. For example, in one study, a group of women were given t-shirts worn over several nights by men. The men were ranked by the scientists by how symmetrical they were (in terms of Fluctuating Assymmetry), unbeknownst to the women. The women showed no preference for one particular shirt over another, ranking them generally as either "neutral" or unattractive. BUT, when they were most fertile (right after their periods), they women showed marked preferences for certain shirts, ranking these as above neutral and close to attractive. The shirts that were preferred. every time, turned out to have the scents of the most symmetrical men in the sample.

 

[-SD-]

I rest my case. And i see superdave, the platinum pimp of plumper pfucking has denied this theory too. Now all we need is plornive to give it the thumbs down.

What are you talking about, I said the same thing he did only more elaborate so I think I agreed. Plumpers arent the only ones I fuck, I only write about that here because it makes for good laughs.

 

[Tarheel]

even with a card that says they're professional millionaire dudes.

-= nav =-

Werd I need that

Professional Millionaire Dude

 

[-SD-]

Blah Blah Blah, we can sit here all day long and talk about some high dollar scientific study done by doctors with a lot of letters after their names, or we can accept what we know and witness in the real world every day, which is this:
Jerks get laid
Nice guys dont.
Thats the way it alwas has been and the way it always will be because it is hardwired into everyones brain. No amount of studies, or Oprah shows, or feminism movements will ever change these principles because it is on a biological level.
And no, Ive never been cheated on and even if I was I didnt even know about it so it doesnt matter anyway. I dont worry about my hotness either and to prove it to you Ive got a couple pics if you want them emailed.

 

[KO-KAYNE]

FUCK THAT, GRAB A HOE BY THE PONYTAIL AND DRAG HER ASS OUT THE CLUB!!! WORKS EVERYTIME!!!

 

[KO-KAYNE]

all this proves one thing

hyena's are more evolved than us. and hyena females are sluts

both are good if ur a male hyena

ACTUALLY, BEING A MALE HYENA SUCKS!!! THE FEMALES RUN THE TRIBE. MALES ARE JUST FOR SPERM IN THE HYENA WORLD.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Sounds like your "Pocket Rocket" aint doing it for you anymore!

 

[Pellmaster]

yeah...nice guys finish first...only in a female run hyena world

 

[Baoh]

Well, Veggietrash got owned quite nicely. Good job, all.

And of course she picks a study on hyenas. Maybe the Dutchess of Dumbass ought to have examined the mating habits of chimpanzees, our closest extant genetic relatives. Care to give a guess as to how chimp society functions? Much like ours. But why embrace the common sense of that? Hell, our next study should focus on mole rats. That will really apply to people.

Oh, and she so cheated on her bf, and that other fellow was right regarding her bf. No balls.

 

[plornive]

Hyena Study May Offer Lesson for Human Mating Game
Reuters
May 13 2003 7:06PM

LONDON (Reuters) - Friendly rather than aggressive behavior is the way to win the ladies, judging by research into hyenas' mating patterns by British and German scientists published on Wednesday.

Scientists used genetic techniques to study the mating tactics used by three clans of spotted hyenas from the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania.

Male hyenas that tried to be friendly rather than aggressive had far more luck with the ladies, according to their study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society.

Males did not get very far if they tried to coerce or monopolize female hyenas. Those that took the time and energy to develop relationships had more luck in siring offspring.

"What this paper reveals is the enormous amount of sexual politics among members of large hyena clans. I suspect that many might think females would choose to mate with socially dominant males...but our results show this is not the case with hyenas," said Marion East, from the Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin. "The friendlier male hyenas are, and the longer they stick around, the more favorably they are looked on by female hyenas," she added.

Females were impressed by "grooming, greeting, and amicable gestures," according to the study. Shadowing a prospective partner for weeks or months or trying to defend a female from the attention of other male hyenas was considered a turn-off.

In another blow to male self-confidence, the study showed that some males were simply bad at understanding when females were receptive and fertile.

To further undermine attempts by dominant male hyenas to monopolize paternity and counter infanticide, some females would mate with several partners.

05/13/03 19:02 ET

This is fucking hilarious. I want to start my own hyena sex laboratory.

I am "nice" to women (at first) --- I play the benevolent asshole. I don't spend a lot of time on any one girl (i.e. I don't "shadow them), and this makes them feel I am too important for them. Younger girls seem to love to be abused and taken to new levels of pain and pleasure by me. Older ones just want someone with skills to pound them once a week while they start "relationships" with chumps --- I generally feel like a bitch if I do this, though. I don't tell much about myself to most girls, and I tell a few lies --- all to make myself seem like a mysterious and dangerous guy who will not stay with them. Experience tells me this.

Hyenas are definitely not humans. I don't know how to compare the two, and it seems like the study was watered down in the article. It definitely doesn't show that "nice" guys get laid.

 

[jubei]

Female hyenas have redundant male sexual organs in other words they've got a non functional dick between their legs. If you want to give a real lesson to all the "nice guys" it should be when you are away serving in the military your gf will cheat on you because you were way too nice to her.

 

[Lao Tzu]

What are you talking about, I said the same thing he did only more elaborate so I think I agreed. Plumpers arent the only ones I fuck, I only write about that here because it makes for good laughs.

What the hell are you talking about? I was stating that (imo) you, plornive and Supernav are all good with women and all 3 of you disagree with this study that nice guys get laid. So the study, although academic, doesn't hold water in the real world.

 

[b fold the truth]

Is that why my girlfriend loves to watch me train? Does she love to see me sweat, get dirty, spit, yell, scream, and bleed?

She also knows that I am a big baby too...



B True

 

[Burning_Inside]

no shit? i'm not the one posting crap to make women look more mature than they really are.

Eminem is a total failure as a human being aside from his fame/money, and his concern for his daughter. It really speaks alot for female maturity that people like Eminem are considered sex symbols.

preach on my brozzle.

 

[Frackal]

If he followed the hyenas he wouldnt get laid anymore.
You pretty much cheated because your man doesnt have any self respect since he took you back. Its like hes working with less than zero as far as balls go so you sort of have to adjust the definition of cheating for you two in order to justify the whole mess.

I think we can conclude from this:


- Veggielifter likes nice guys because:

Nice guys are pansies who will take their girl back after she cheats on them while they're on deployment.

Plus Veggie I'm plenty nice... just "candid"

 

[drakfoot]

Frackle Is Right On This.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Can you idiots read? Did you read anything in this thread? Or in the one you all think you're referring to? He was NOT deployed, which I said explicitly in this thread. Once again, can you read? Also, I didn't cheat. Once again, can you read?

You all are fucking retards. Honestly, this thread is about hyenas and mating behavior/mate choice. Nice try with your flames, but they were off by a mile.

 

[ANABOLICK1]

Can you idiots read? Did you read anything in this thread? Or in the one you all think you're referring to? He was NOT deployed, which I said explicitly in this thread. Once again, can you read? Also, I didn't cheat. Once again, can you read?

You all are fucking retards. Honestly, this thread is about hyenas and mating behavior/mate choice. Nice try with your flames, but they were off by a mile.

How old are you little girl?
You bring up this study of hyenas, thinking this would apply to the psychology of mating habits in humans. YOU'RE off by a mile !

 

[Frackal]

Can you idiots read? Did you read anything in this thread? Or in the one you all think you're referring to? He was NOT deployed, which I said explicitly in this thread. Once again, can you read? Also, I didn't cheat. Once again, can you read?

You all are fucking retards. Honestly, this thread is about hyenas and mating behavior/mate choice. Nice try with your flames, but they were off by a mile.

I think I remembered some fondling by you and some other guy

 

[Paulos]

Can you idiots read? Did you read anything in this thread? Or in the one you all think you're referring to? He was NOT deployed, which I said explicitly in this thread. Once again, can you read? Also, I didn't cheat. Once again, can you read?

You all are fucking retards. Honestly, this thread is about hyenas and mating behavior/mate choice. Nice try with your flames, but they were off by a mile.

Can you show me pictures of your tits, vagina and/or anus? Thanks in advance.

 

[Paulos]

I think I remembered some fondling by you and some other guy

She grabbed my dick and I squeezed her tits if you want to get specific.

 

[Norman Bates]

Wow, if i was a hyena that article would have really increased my chances to get laid.
Aren´t some biologists trying to figure out the human mating behaviour?That would be something i´d like to read about.

 

[Mandinka2]

I think I remembered some fondling by you and some other guy

A1 pal , she cheated all right. What I want to know is did she have the balls to tell the poor bastard? Two bucks says she didn't.

 

[sigweed]

A1 pal , she cheated all right. What I want to know is did she have the balls to tell the poor bastard? Two bucks says she didn't.

i think she did actually, but since he's such a nice guy and has no nuts to stick up for himself, he took back his cheating girlfriend...

 

[Mandinka2]

i think she did actually, but since he's such a nice guy and has no nuts to stick up for himself, he took back his cheating girlfriend...

Probably she'd fuck a hyena too if it were friendly enough.

 

[-SD-]

What the hell are you talking about? I was stating that (imo) you, plornive and Supernav are all good with women and all 3 of you disagree with this study that nice guys get laid. So the study, although academic, doesn't hold water in the real world.

LOL, sorry about that bro, I thought you said I disagreed with supernav's post which I was agreeing with. Im still laughing over the fact that this whole thing is a damn hyena study. They could have at least picked a respectable mammal like a lion or some shit.

 

[ManOfArms]

Hyena Study May Offer Lesson for Human Mating Game
Reuters
May 13 2003 7:06PM

LONDON (Reuters) - Friendly rather than aggressive behavior is the way to win the ladies, judging by research into hyenas' mating patterns by British and German scientists published on Wednesday.

Scientists used genetic techniques to study the mating tactics used by three clans of spotted hyenas from the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania.

Male hyenas that tried to be friendly rather than aggressive had far more luck with the ladies, according to their study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society.

Males did not get very far if they tried to coerce or monopolize female hyenas. Those that took the time and energy to develop relationships had more luck in siring offspring.

"What this paper reveals is the enormous amount of sexual politics among members of large hyena clans. I suspect that many might think females would choose to mate with socially dominant males...but our results show this is not the case with hyenas," said Marion East, from the Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin. "The friendlier male hyenas are, and the longer they stick around, the more favorably they are looked on by female hyenas," she added.

Females were impressed by "grooming, greeting, and amicable gestures," according to the study. Shadowing a prospective partner for weeks or months or trying to defend a female from the attention of other male hyenas was considered a turn-off.

In another blow to male self-confidence, the study showed that some males were simply bad at understanding when females were receptive and fertile.

To further undermine attempts by dominant male hyenas to monopolize paternity and counter infanticide, some females would mate with several partners.

05/13/03 19:02 ET

This is the dumbest fucken post I've ever read....

 

[alien amp pharm]

You guys amaze me with all the wisdom I've seen on these replies.

My take on the "nice guy" thing:

Every girl I've not been into, i.e. Didn't care if I was with her or not (usually the ones I date during slow times) have always ended up chasing me. They called all the time, always wanted to see me, etc.

Now the girls I've tried to be nice to and take it slowly with and treat with respect, all ended up not being into me at all eventually.

That's just the way it is unfortunately.

 

[Mandinka2]

Hyena Study May Offer Lesson for Human Mating Game
Reuters
May 13 2003 7:06PM

LONDON (Reuters) -
To further undermine attempts by dominant male hyenas to monopolize paternity and counter infanticide, some females would mate with several partners.

05/13/03 19:02 ET

I just saw this part-
How the fuck did they come to that conclusion? More likely they were just sluts while their boyfriends were outta town.
VeggieLifter Chic: No , honey , I only did it to stop a monpolization on paternity and stop you eating our children!!!!

 

[jubei]

Is it just me, or does your article have no correlation to human relationships what so ever.

 

[Gemini_Man]

You guys amaze me with all the wisdom I've seen on these replies.

My take on the "nice guy" thing:

Every girl I've not been into, i.e. Didn't care if I was with her or not (usually the ones I date during slow times) have always ended up chasing me. They called all the time, always wanted to see me, etc.

Now the girls I've tried to be nice to and take it slowly with and treat with respect, all ended up not being into me at all eventually.

That's just the way it is unfortunately.

This is true.

 

[Baoh]

I will forever laugh at this girl. No matter how badly my day ever goes, I'll know I didn't sink to being like her.

She cheated.

 

[flex123]

this slut said she didn't cheat...

Who cares if you didn't even kiss him...what type of girl sleeps in the same bed as another man while they are in a relationship. If you wanna be close to other guys why have a boyfriend. Show some respect for your boyfriend and yourself.

It's girls like you who know they do things wrong, but then try to make it seem like it's not that big of a deal. Remember just cause you convince yourself that your actions arn't a big deal, doesn't mean that the world beleives it also.

I would say your boyfriend is a pitiful fool for taking your back but that might not be the case. First you might have not even told him. And if he happened to find out you probbly manipulated the situation and him and mad it seem not such a big deal.

hey I might sound harsh but this is the impression I get from you.

Your boyfriend should fuck you one last time and shot one in your face then tell you to get the fuck out and go join your buddy in his bed cause your not good enough for his.

K...thanks that let out a lot of steam for the day.

 

[biteme]

this slut said she didn't cheat...

Who cares if you didn't even kiss him...what type of girl sleeps in the same bed as another man while they are in a relationship. If you wanna be close to other guys why have a boyfriend. Show some respect for your boyfriend and yourself.

It's girls like you who know they do things wrong, but then try to make it seem like it's not that big of a deal. Remember just cause you convince yourself that your actions arn't a big deal, doesn't mean that the world beleives it also.

I would say your boyfriend is a pitiful fool for taking your back but that might not be the case. First you might have not even told him. And if he happened to find out you probbly manipulated the situation and him and mad it seem not such a big deal.

hey I might sound harsh but this is the impression I get from you.

Your boyfriend should fuck you one last time and shot one in your face then tell you to get the fuck out and go join your buddy in his bed cause your not good enough for his.

K...thanks that let out a lot of steam for the day. [/QUOTE

Wait a fuciking minute here. How many of you guys have ever cheated on your girlfriend in a moment of weakness? The statistics say over 50%. How many of you have admitted it?]

 

[Jimsbbc]

Sometimes i fuck like an animal, but not a laughing hyena

 

[Baoh]

Biteme, I never have. It's fucked up to betray someone like that.

 

[chesty]

So, if that is the case why can't I get the ladies? I am smart, good looking, nice, ...,

 

[biteme]

Biteme, I never have. It's fucked up to betray someone like that.

You're a good man then.

 

[Frackal]

I never have either btw


And VeggieLifter chick is your typical lefty goofnut

 

[argent]

Yeah but did the Hyenas cheat on each other

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

I never have either btw


And VeggieLifter chick is your typical lefty goofnut

Never been called a lefty goofnut before. Not sure if I'm insulted, even if u intended it that way.

 

[Frackal]

Don't mess with Texas!