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SonnyBlack

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hey macro...you suggested that i give you more details on my past dnp cycles right...well here it goes:

Well first of all i ran my first dnp cycle around January of this yr. I ran 600 mgs a day of the powdered DNP for around 15 days and had astonishing results. After my cycle was done...i lost a total of 15 pds of fat....hardly any muscle was lost from my perspective. Well after seeing how good results can be with dnp....i decided to start my second DNP cycle 2 wks after the end of my first one. I ran this second cycle for 14 days again at 600 mgs a day. At the end of this second dnp cycle i lost 5 lbs of fat. One mistake that i think that i did after both my cycles were over, was that right after the end of my cycles i went straight into ketogenic dieting with under 40 grams of carbs a day. I think this might have been a mistake because i have read over and over that u need carbs after a dnp cycle to get youur T3 levels bak up.Well, in my never ending search to rip up....i did my third dnp cycle 2 months after the end of my second one. I ran this one week at 600 mgs again. Keep in mind that all three of my first dnp cycles were all POWDERED FORM OF DNP. Well, at the end of this cycle ii didnt loose shit. Not even one pound. Man that pissed me off. I was told again and again that mayne it was because i didnt add enuff carbs into my diet while on DNP... and that maybe i didnt give enuff time between my dnp cycles. Well who the hell knows. Im realistic i know that i dont have the vast knowledge that Andy 13, Fonz and YOUhave with this...but at least i can say i have hands on experience and experimentation with the chemical. Well after 2 months off of dnp (from my third cycle) this past week i ran my 4 cycle of dnp (i thought id give it another whirl after my 3rd failed attempt) Keep in mind that throughout all of my cycles i have eaten below maintenance in calories. Well this 4th dnp cycle i thought id give the new Crystalized DNP a whirl. I ran 400 mgs a day for 5 days and i upped my carbs alot...something like 60 carbs-30 protein-10 fat. Well at the end of this cycle wat do i find....i again didnt loose shit. Not one pound. I upped the carbs, drank shitloads of water, and did everything right and still nothing. I cant see any sixer at all. Man this pisses me off. I mean i do everything i hear every one say during my dnp cycle and still...nothing no fat loss. I get fuking super hot during my cycle....sweat inmensely, get all the sides (so it should be working) but still nothing...no fuking fat loss. This is where i need your help bro
. I need to know wat u think i may have done wrong throughout my cycles and how i can correct it in order to rip up. Im all ears and critisism as well as flaming is accepted . I just want to have this chemical work for me again .As i mentioned on the other post....i got some Yohimburn in and i plan to add that to my trouble areas. You asked where i hold most of my fat...well it is in fat pockets. Most o it I hold on my chest and on my lower abdomen. These places are concentrated with fat from my perspective. So iplan to use the Yohimburn there. I have been off from dnp for like two months and i have been eating normally with carbs at maintenance levels in order to have my t3 levels up for my next dnp cycle. It was suggested to me by Fonz that i should add t3 to my dnp cycle at 100 mcgs a day for the length of my dnp cycle ( i plan to run my next dnp cylce (powdered) at 600 mgs for 14 days. Well i dont know since ive never run t3 bfore in my life and u mentioned that it wasnt necessary. IVE NEVER DONE A STEROID CYCLE BEFORE IN MY LIFE EITHER. So then wat do u suggest that i should do bro. Im sorry to have made this so long...but i just wanted to make sure that i gave you all the proper details and information so u can see the whole picture, thanx and let me know if u need any other info about my past with dnp.
 
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Sonny,

could we get a calorie breakdown- not just ratio but how many calories and what sources (were there fruits).... what are your maintenance calories. How much exercise (cardio/lifting).

All that said it seems that the problem may be solved through the addition of the yohimburn/topical yohimbine (not saying for sure but...) as it seems that your remaining fat is estrogenic in nature and exists in pockets with poor blood flow and likely A2 inhibition.

but still the info would help in determing what other steps could be taken to improve fat loss.

1. calories
2. your maintenance calories
3. source of calories
4. supplements (antioxidents + any other fat burners eca/ncy)
5. workout schedule(last but not least)

btw- perhaps taking some anavar/eq/win ....post DNP might be a good idea (increase fat free mass with non aromatic AS) and take advantage of anabolic rebound...but it is, of course, up to you. Test with liquidex would be, of course, a good option as well.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Sonny,

could we get a calorie breakdown- not just ratio but how many calories and what sources (were there fruits).... what are your maintenance calories. How much exercise (cardio/lifting).

All that said it seems that the problem may be solved through the addition of the yohimburn/topical yohimbine (not saying for sure but...) as it seems that your remaining fat is estrogenic in nature and exists in pockets with poor blood flow and likely A2 inhibition.

but still the info would help in determing what other steps could be taken to improve fat loss.

1. calories
2. your maintenance calories
3. source of calories
4. supplements (antioxidents + any other fat burners eca/ncy)
5. workout schedule(last but not least)

btw- perhaps taking some anavar/eq/win ....post DNP might be a good idea (increase fat free mass with non aromatic AS) and take advantage of anabolic rebound...but it is, of course, up to you. Test with liquidex would be, of course, a good option as well.
Click to expand...

Assuming for a second that his diet was the same on the effective and inneffective cycles, are you implying that dnp does not work well (or as well) with estrogenic fat?

Weird case... also, would Fonz's suggestion of adding the 100mcg of T3 not make the cycle catabolic?

Wondering cuz I'm about to hit my third dnp cycle (first "full-length" one) and am BANKING on it to work...
 
Daman,
not so much that it does not work on estrogenic fat, merely that release from those areas would come last.... though effectiveness might also be impaired with respect to use of those fats for fuel... but probably not too much... The addition of yohimbine would allay any possible problems in that respect. One of the other reasons that it is widely reccomended with DNP.

t3 without anabolics (even with them will probably be catabolic) especially at those doses.
Fonz was looking for a possible solution...but with sonny's normal levels of t3 this is probably not it.



Sonny,

That info will be very helpful in determining what changes are needed.
 
hello...and sorry that ive taken so long to respond. Here is the info that you requested Macro as best as I can gather:

1.)Duing my dnp cycle i ate at around 2000 calories. I went up and down maybe 200 calories or so but i usually stayed within this range.

2.)Maintenace for me if multiplied 12 times 190 (my bodyweight) its 2280

3.)The source of my calories during my dnp cycle (my last ones) were mostly complex carbs like sugarless cereal (raisin bran, mini wheats)skim milk, fruits, chicken,once in a while sugared soda or a piece of candy to keep my blood sugar levels up, as little fat as possible...mostly EFAS, veggies and salad.Ocassional steak (little fat),

4.)Supplements during my dnp cycle were vitamins E and C. No ECA stacks whatsoever. No pyruvate

5.)I lifeted high reps moderate weight every day of my cycle. No cardio as adviced by Andy 13.

It has also been adviced to me to maybe take some liquidex without AS because i may have naturally high estrogen levels. What do you think. Also should i add t3 to my next dnp cycle. I plan to run 400 mgs for 14 days (powdered) How much should i add???Im gonna add Yohimburn everyday of my cycle too. Let me know what you advice for me to do or what you think i may have done wrong. The calories and types of food that i outlined refer to my last 2 dnp cycles because the first couple of them i ate keto because i didnt know that you need carbs while on dnp.
 
Looks fine, except for one thing:

1. DNP only burns AVAILABLE FFA's in the bloodstream,
it DOES NOT initiate fat breakdown.

Here is where ECA comes in:

ECA STARTS fat breakdown.

That may be the answer to your problem.

If not:

I'd consider T3(100mcg/day)+EPH

Fonz
 
EC- good idea for fat and energy
Fruit for improved liver glycogen synthesis
CARDIO- it works and unless you are taking lots of DNP it is usually necessary- remember you are at this juncture below you homeostatic point.

I dont really agree about the t3- I think that it will be catabolic, but you may try it. I just would not reccomend it.

otherwise it looks good

lets see what happens.. the arimidex and yohimburn may make the difference if your remaining fat stores are A2 rich
 
Sonny, where do you hold your fat?

You can pretty much determine if you have
a female-pattern distribution(A2 rich) from
a cursory inspection.
If you do, then I'd do YOH + ECA.

And, I'd look to use Capoten in the near future.(A2
adrenoreceptor down-regulator)

Fonz
 
macrophage69alpha said:
CARDIO- it works and unless you are taking lots of DNP it is usually necessary- remember you are at this juncture below you homeostatic point.
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Hmm. Andy13 thinks that even at a dose of 200mg(crystal) that's a bad idea because of the body's inability to "recover"... (yes, cardio). Your thoughts?

FYI, two dnp cycles ago I DID light cardio and survived it... but dunno if I catabolized or anything.


lets see what happens.. the arimidex and yohimburn may make the difference if your remaining fat stores are A2 rich
Click to expand...

I posted another thread about the use of arimidex against estrogenic fat (a question) - can you give more details about its use to burn blubber? Dosage?

Asking cuz pretty much my ONLY fat when I'm cutting is chickfat... luv handles and some titties and a booty (damn that sounds gay), otherwise I get pretty ripped, which just looks wrong :)

Thx.
 
the only parts that i store fat in are estrogenic related areas. such as my lower chest (big time) lower abs (good amount) and love handles and lower back (some). Also...i know that this may sound like a weird question...but everytime i have sex or have an orgasm (were all adults here) it seems like the next day my nips feel itchy and i retain alot of water on my lower chest. What is this due to...this happens everytime i have an orgasm. Is it because sex causes hormone levels to flucuate....estrogen levels to rise???prolactin levels to rise???what is this due to???this is a serious question.
 
Sonny

Prolactins may be a problem. They are bad news for men. There is the solution of bromocriptine, but this is a harsh drug.

there is another option.. CHASTEBERRY extract... it suppresses prolactin.. a couple of guys on AF have used to help restart test after cycle. It also may be of benefit to take it with GHB- which has basically no GH benefits(they are countered in most people with normal GH) becuase of the concurrent spike of prolactin

of course Chasteberry may also inhibit GH, but it is not clear-and from anecdotal reports it does not seem to be a problem
 
bump...so ther people get a chance to see this...


so macro...one last thing, does the Chasteberry extract have any other side effects???just so i know cus i plan to pick some up this weekend. anyone else ever try this??what were your results??
 
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