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Whats up, I dont normally post on this board, but I have started to try and hit them all now as much as possible. I typically post on smaller boards, and I am an Owner/Mod at True Muscle (www.truemuscle.com). This is an article I wrote for my board, maybe some of you bros here can use it.

What up guys, I havent been here in a while, my DSL was down. Anyways, I thought that I would write a little article to explain the fine lines on the Philosophy of Anabolic Steroid Testing. I know that many of you out there compete in athletics on the Collogiate level, and some of you even partake in such activites as Shoot Fighting, Ju Jitsu, Bare Nuckles, etc.... I am not sure if those Competition test of such products or not, but if they do this will help you guys out too. This will also be a KEY article for ANYONE that ever wants to even think about competing, wether in "All Natural" - Wink, Wink - Shows, or if you want to go straight into the mainstream of bodybuilding. Lets start!
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- Philosophy of Anabolic Sterid Testing -
Standards of detection (limits) are set in ALL IOC (International Olympic Committee)laboratories to unequivocally protect innocent athletes from being falsely accused. Unfortunatly, this does not apply to ALL labs that many Colleges and Univ. seem to choose to do the "Dirty Work". Because of this philosphy, some positices will not be reported in order to avoid any chance of a false positive result. Thus, some abuse will not be deterred by testing, particualry for those substances for which only VERY high drug levels constitiute a positive result (Ex. Test and Caffeine)
Despite the frequent requests for information on a detectability of anabolic steroids, there are NO absoulute guidlines and athlete can use and NO definable time period in which an athlete can cease drug use in order to escape a positive test result. This is because there are too many inherent variables that can profoundly affect the drug elimination/excretion process. These variables (As Seen Below)* can affect a test result quantitatively in different directions, indicating why it is impossible to define reliable detection guidlines for anabolic steriods.

The List below shows ways an athlete can THEORETICALLY avoid a positive anabolic steriod test result while taking the drugs. Although the obvious examples of dilution/inhibition of excretion of anabolic steroids into urine are now banned, other possible options are or WILL BE available.

*Variables Influencing the Concentration/Detectability of Anbolics

-Urine output/volume for that athlete
-Urine pH (acidity, usually effected by
diet)
-Dosage of AS taken, when last taken, and
formualtion used (Oral, Oil, etc..)
-Acute or Chronic use of AS
-Other AS taken simultanesously (Stacked)
-The AS being detected: Some AS are
easier to detect at lower level than
other AS
-Agents Present, promoting/inhibiting
excretion of AS
-Drug, Metabolism inhibitors/promotors
taken concurrently with AS (Ex.
barbiturates, alcohol, nicotine, etc..)
-Metabolic Activity of Invidiual Athlete
-Fat content of Athlete (BF %)
-Athletes Diet during Testing/Compotetion
-Recent Truma/Shock to Athlete

Theoretical Ways to Prevent a Positive Test for AS

-The User can dilute the urine (Ex. by
using diuretics)
-The User can prevent AS excretion into
urine(Ex. by using Porbenecid)
-The User can cease dosing soon enough to
make AS levels drop too low to detect
-The User can take Test but keep the
level low enough so the ratio to
epitestosterone stays below 6:1
-The User can take epitestosterone so
that the test-to-epitest ratio stays
below 6:1
-The User can take birth control pills
in an attempt to "hide" or "mask" the
use of nandrolone

Use of Other Substances for Anabolic Effects

Recently, other substances have become popular for either their purposed anabolic effects or their effects on endogenous anabolic substances. Examples Include:
-Zeranol
-Clenbuerol
-Deprenyl
-Orotic Acid
-Polypeptide Hormones

CONCLUSIONS

Testing for anabolic steroids is Complex, Expensive, and Technically VERY difficult. And intamate marrige of medicine, pharmacology, analytical chemistry, endocrinology, and clinical chemistry is neccessary for building an effective anabolic steroid-testing lab that produces NO false positive and MINIMAL false negative results.

The average clinical lab is NOT capable of carrying out effective and comprehensive AS testing because it DOES NOT have the necessary expertise and information available, unless extraordinary effort, expense, and collaboration with an already experienced lab is part of the program. Testing, even at the IOC, is NOT fullproof, in that false negatives DO occur for a varity of reasons (As listed above). In addition, control of the endogenous AS testosterone is difficult and only somewhat effective, because protecting all innocent athletes from being falsly accused (or accused in general) is a legit goal!


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I have some drug test questions that no one seems to want to answer can you help me? You can PM me or send an email to [email protected] address.

I have used prohormones with success. I used higher dosages and cycled them like an AAS. I experienced almost no sides and they helped me quite a bit. I am an endurance athlete (triathlete, cyclist) and they helped my recovery. I was able to do more intense workouts, help me put on a little muscle. I wasn't looking to get huge so they suited me fine. Now I'd like to use them again, but need to be careful as I could now be drug tested by my federation. They use an IOC-type all inclusive test (my banned list is long) and I know my substances are banned. I would like to know how long it takes substances like 5-androstendiol and andriol (and their metabolites) to clear your system? I figured around 2 months should be sufficient but do yo have any more info. I've also heard 2-3 weeks. Thanks in advance.

FHG43
 
I've asked this before and no one could answer so perhaps you can.
On the drug test does the detection time matter if its a urine test or a blood test?

Also if the 6:1 ratio is used then one could assume that clomid, nolvedex, armidex would provide a false negative?

My main question is that for example Deca is detectable for up to 18 months. But that can't be using the 6:1 ratio, can it? Because if deca effected your hormone ratio for 18 month then the deca would be active for 18 months--- NO WAY.
 
I have heard of athletes catheterizing themselves and passing unadulterated urine into the bladder prior to testing.

Yuk :sick:
 
ryker77-
I don't think it matters what test it is blood or urine. All the detection times given are the longest a substance is detectable in your system. The drug is active for a few hours and (the actual drug) leaves the system in a matter of days. Now your body has metabolites, enzymes, needed to break down these substances and these can be detectable for longer periods of time.

You take Deca. You have a cycle to maximize its effectiveness (I'm not sure if you do 1 or doses a day, but for the sake of argument lets say you do 2). You dose twice a day to keep levels high in the blood thus gaining extra effcts when recovering from workouts etc...The actual drug has a half life of ??hours. Then it takes the body a certain amount of time (weeks?) to excrete it from your body. However the metabolites or enzymes used to breakdown Deca are still in your body and could be stored in fatty tissue. Your body will excrete some of these as well. All drugs have a corresponding enzyme or metabolite. Some of these are always naturally present (like ones that work with Test and some Andros). Since Deca is a hormone and it NEVER naturally occurs in humans the metabolites are a dead giveaway. Hard workouts can even metabolize fatty cells that have stored some of the enzymnes-so this could explain why an athlete who took Dec (nandrolone) a year ago could still test positive. I would guess that as those cells get broken the enzymnes would be detectable in both blood and urine. The 6:1 ratio is meaningless w/Deca as the drug or metabolites will be detected. People who get popped for a test ratio anomaly are actually taking the drug when tested! That's the only way they could test out!

FHG
 
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