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Was that a trailer for a movie? Because the only INFORMATION I saw was about who the people were who made the trailer ie their names. 
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
I love one-sided propaganda flicks, when the agree with my view point. This one doesn't. Fail.
Who the hell would want to buy a stick of butter with a lazy factory worker and a smokestack shooting a black smoke cloud on the package? Ignorance is bliss. I am going to go shopping and get some lard and rub it's toxic goodness on my antibiotic-enhanced beef eating body.
"My name is Bubba. I show up drunk every day for work to make sure your butter is delicious."
Plus, if we didn't have these evil corporations making all of this food everyone would be starving. The cucumbers I grow in my backyard wouldn't suffice to feed a drunk midget.
Who the hell would want to buy a stick of butter with a lazy factory worker and a smokestack shooting a black smoke cloud on the package? Ignorance is bliss. I am going to go shopping and get some lard and rub it's toxic goodness on my antibiotic-enhanced beef eating body.
"My name is Bubba. I show up drunk every day for work to make sure your butter is delicious."
Plus, if we didn't have these evil corporations making all of this food everyone would be starving. The cucumbers I grow in my backyard wouldn't suffice to feed a drunk midget.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
BTW next time post some vids with lesbian ninjas and robots that kill non-lesbian ninjas. At least that is more realistic than Food INC.
chris302001
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lol were those supposed to be evil combines? (I have my sound turned off)
CajunSaint
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i heard that movie was real good.
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Don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
Interestingly enough, even with all the food that the evil corporations are producing how many AMERICANS still go to bed hungry every night?
(Oh yea... BTW - corporations are about making money NOT helping mankind)
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
America is the only nation in the world where the 'poor' are grossly obese.
There are a few people out there who go hungry. The majority of them need to get off their asses and work. And the ones who let that happen to their children should not be allowed to have children.
I have seen people standing in the parking lot of the grocery store selling baby formula they purchased with food stamps so they can probably go buy booze and cigs. That is why there are hungry people in this country.
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America is the only nation in the world where the 'poor' are grossly obese.
There are a few people out there who go hungry. The majority of them need to get off their asses and work. And the ones who let that happen to their children should not be allowed to have children.
I have seen people standing in the parking lot of the grocery store selling baby formula they purchased with food stamps so they can probably go buy booze and cigs. That is why there are hungry people in this country.
OK I see your argument, especially about the obese poor. I don't get how it is that only the American poor seem to have glandular issues.
chris302001
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needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
lol Those poor in Africa seem to have good glandular issues!
In all honesty I recognize there are problems with large companies. There are problems in any situation where a few people wield too much power. Blaming them for the problems we face is off the mark.
The problem is we only have so much land and so many mouths to feed. Industrialization has made it possible to feed the entire earth. Would I prefer that we could all grown our own crops or eat locally grown food? Yes. ALL of the produce I purchase is from the farmers market when it is available. I even grow plums and other things when I get the chance. But even local farmers use pesticides etc. The same goes with meat and everything else we consume.
I also dislike it when people attack corporations for making an honest buck. If I have a good idea and I want to sell it then I am going to, end of story. Bashing me, or corporations, or anyone else who wants to make a living is misplaced.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Just to add to the glandular issue, I have thyroid disease. Every male on my mothers side does too. They are fat. I am 210lbs. I take my meds, work out with a passion, and control it. If I could bottle up my attitude and sell it, obesity would be eliminated in this country and I would be rich. Then some nimwit would make a video of how I am evil for making money and how I am oppressing fat people.
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Nope ur not the only one, Costa Rica has some really fat poor fuckers..... some even go hungry... wanna know why? cuz if they get $2 they prefer buying 3 yummy sweet fatty twinkies than buying a bag or rice, or vegetables, etc.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
lol
redsamurai
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Army vet....just a couple of points here.
A) The poor people in this country are fat because they can't afford proper food that digest's like it's supposed to. When a 99 cent hamburger from McDonald's is all you can afford because you can feed your family enough calories on less than $5, than you're going to be fat. And that's because the over processed corn subsidized products that the industrial food industry creates simply does not gel with the human physiology as food should. The problem is it's a cumulative degradation. Because someobody that eats fast food doesn't keel over and die within 10 days it's not considered poison. But it is, and it slowly kills you over your lifetime. People just don't understand that we're "supposed" to live a very very very long time.....certainly alot longer than the 60-70 year average that the west thinks makes us so great. If we ate like we were supposed to and eliminated the toxins that our bodies have to fight off every day just by waking up and walking around our environment....we'd all easily be centenarians. Not only that, we'd be looking like we're in our 30's when we'd be well into our 60's. I wish I could take a picture of this guy that's at my gym and post it here.......one of the best physiques I've ever seen personally. I nearly dropped a shit when someone told me he was closing in on 70. I've now verified that claim and I've been talking with him. His diet is pure, not only that he does alot of other stuff in his life that most people here would call "new age quackery". But when you look in the face like you're 40-45 and your body looks like a 20 year old athlete......I listen.
B) ANd it's bullshit that locally grown produce can't support the country. Obviously not what you grow in your backyard, but land has to stop being utilized for one useless strip mall after another. How many tanning salons are necessary? There's more than enough land, and if not....than vertical tower farming can augment what's left. We absolutely do not anymore need the centralized farming process that requires long supply chains that necessitates all these pesticides and chemicals and whatnot. That model is done. It's only in existence because of the greed of a few companies that wanted to dominate the food industry and got the govt. to subsidize corn. If corn weren't govt. subsidized we would be relying WAY more on more localized farming outlets.
Why all you capitalists are high on the centralization of anything is beyond me.......you should go read your Misces some more. Centralization is akin to govt. according to the "pure capitalists".....hence they don't like it. And than there's the fact that the centralization couldn't have happened without the overregulation of our govt. in setting up these food oligopolies.
A) The poor people in this country are fat because they can't afford proper food that digest's like it's supposed to. When a 99 cent hamburger from McDonald's is all you can afford because you can feed your family enough calories on less than $5, than you're going to be fat. And that's because the over processed corn subsidized products that the industrial food industry creates simply does not gel with the human physiology as food should. The problem is it's a cumulative degradation. Because someobody that eats fast food doesn't keel over and die within 10 days it's not considered poison. But it is, and it slowly kills you over your lifetime. People just don't understand that we're "supposed" to live a very very very long time.....certainly alot longer than the 60-70 year average that the west thinks makes us so great. If we ate like we were supposed to and eliminated the toxins that our bodies have to fight off every day just by waking up and walking around our environment....we'd all easily be centenarians. Not only that, we'd be looking like we're in our 30's when we'd be well into our 60's. I wish I could take a picture of this guy that's at my gym and post it here.......one of the best physiques I've ever seen personally. I nearly dropped a shit when someone told me he was closing in on 70. I've now verified that claim and I've been talking with him. His diet is pure, not only that he does alot of other stuff in his life that most people here would call "new age quackery". But when you look in the face like you're 40-45 and your body looks like a 20 year old athlete......I listen.
B) ANd it's bullshit that locally grown produce can't support the country. Obviously not what you grow in your backyard, but land has to stop being utilized for one useless strip mall after another. How many tanning salons are necessary? There's more than enough land, and if not....than vertical tower farming can augment what's left. We absolutely do not anymore need the centralized farming process that requires long supply chains that necessitates all these pesticides and chemicals and whatnot. That model is done. It's only in existence because of the greed of a few companies that wanted to dominate the food industry and got the govt. to subsidize corn. If corn weren't govt. subsidized we would be relying WAY more on more localized farming outlets.
Why all you capitalists are high on the centralization of anything is beyond me.......you should go read your Misces some more. Centralization is akin to govt. according to the "pure capitalists".....hence they don't like it. And than there's the fact that the centralization couldn't have happened without the overregulation of our govt. in setting up these food oligopolies.
ricco561
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Not sure if you saw the movie, but all of those points are covered.
It is a good movie.
And I laugh at you fat Americans.
Ezekiel
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For what it's worth:
The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Read the whole article here
The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Read the whole article here
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Fruits and veggies do not cost that much. It is a fallacy that healthy food costs too much. McDonald's sells salads and grilled chicken too. Poor people are fat because of their own choosing.
I don't have time to farm 2-3 hours a day to grow my own produce. I know the overwhelming majority of Americans don't have the time. I also don't have enough space to raise chicken and cows to provide the rest of my sustenance. Even accepting your position that the US has enough space of every American to grow their own food, what about the rest of the world. For example, Japan and Europe. They do not have enough space to do it.
If we decentralized the production of food it would take more resources and more human resources to produce food. In the end our standard of living goes down. Look at the Amish. They produce everything locally. They also work 12-14 hour days. The same goes for farmers in India and other countries that have not modernized their agricultural industries.
It all boils down to the economies of scope and scale. There are hundreds of books out there on the topic. Corporations do not arise from greed. They arise from frictions and efficiencies in the market. Why do people go to lawyers and pay a hefty fee for legal services? Because the average person doesn't spend a decade mastering the legal profession. The same goes for doctors and every other profession. We specialize, we organize and form corporations because it is more efficient for a corporation to do the work than for an individual. That is the essence of your centralization argument too.
Greed is present in corporations just as it is present in every human soul. Your premise that corporations are solely the product of greed is out of touch with reality.
redsamurai
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to buy enough fruits and veggies to feed your family is not cheap bro. You saw food inc right? Remember the scene with the mexican family in the grocery store? Nuff said right there, proof positive. The compared what 10 dollars buys them in the grocery store vs. a fast food joing. Or was it 5 dollars? Can't remember for sure but it wasn't even close.
where did I say you had to grow your own food? I mean if you can that's great, but what I was saying is that local farms can handle the load. But they can't compete with the large subsidized food companies. And if they're organically certified you can forget it, simply not affordable to people of even modest means.
yes but our food would become "healthy".......meaning it doesn't promote disease over our lifetimes. Small price to pay for slightly lowered standards of living. Nobody is saying you have to become amish, we just have to set aside land for organic farming. If we want urban growth it's got to be vertical.
Speaking of vertical, google vertical farming towers......that's our future right there.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
I agree we disagree
I will check out vertical farming towers. That sounds interesting.
redsamurai
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I agree we disagree
I will check out vertical farming towers. That sounds interesting.
c'mon dude, you saw the movie.....there's no debate about the economics of feeding your family healthy food. It costs too damn much.
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to disagree. But the part that I disagree with is the "healthy" part. I'm looking at a traditional Asian diet and believe that most can achieve that with some moderate changes to their current diet with a minimal impact to the the out of pocket costs.
That said, some will say that a traditional Asian diet (lots of rice, fish, etc) is not healthy.
redsamurai
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you can feed your family a "dinner" on $5....the only diet plan that can match that is massive calorie restriction. Take $5 to a grocery store and see if you can feed yourself something decent let alone a family of 4. And by decent I mean something that's fresh, not canned 3 months ago.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
You can't be serious? It is BS to draw out the conclusion that you can't eat healthy because of the one instance they mention in the movie.
Rice is dirt cheap. So is produce. The list goes on. I eat very healthy and I do not spend that much money. I spend under $1 for breakfast because I eat eggs and oatmeal. A meal at McDonalds costs $5. It costs more to eat at McDonalds. They have employees to pay, overhead costs, transportation costs. All of that is factored into the cost of their food. It is nonsense that eating at home costs more.
Even if it costs just a little more to buy health food people still choose to eat at McDonalds! Nobody is forcing them to eat processed food.
living a healthy life style is the key factor in all of this. people are simply making the wrong decisions.
In my world people are responsible for their actions.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
lol You can't feed a family on $5 at a fast food joint, unless each person gets one McNugget.
Right now as I type I am eating a salad from the local grocery store. It cost me $3.50. That includes the soup and the apple bread and I got to stick tons of healthy stuff on it. That is less than a meal at most fast food joints.
The difference between me and millions of fat Americans is that I care about what I stick in my body and they don't. Cost has nothing to do with it.
I studied this a lot in college in my nutrition classes and love this topic. i could talk for hours on this subject!
100% correct. Corn is the #1 GOVERNMENT subsidized crop. It is in the majority if not all of processed foods, mainly in the form of corn syrup (sugar). It is easy and cheap and we've found ways of keeping livestock alive while feeding strictly on corn with the help of some antibiotics. Bottom line, it's expensive to eat healthy and government inadvertently makes it this way.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
If the government ended the subsidization of corn the prices would increase. Thus, this would cause food prices to increase.
I'm not saying they should end the subsidization of corn but they should even the playing filed a bit. I don't know the exact numbers off hand but they don't fund farmers for fruits and veggies even a quarter of what they shell out for corn.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Corn (and soy) are the two basic staples in our entire food chain. Just like you mentioned they jack up cows on antibiotics so they can force-feed them corn. Corn is used to feed poultry too. In the end, if corn prices increase everything else does. I was tracking corn futures for a while and the ethanol craze pushed up corn prices higher. In the end we all get hurt because of the subsidization. We support the ethanol industry which is not self-sufficient and we increase food prices because of the increased demand. It is stupid if you ask me.
Just to add to all of my arguments above, I am not arguing for subsidization of food nor am I arguing what some (not all) corporations do is ethical. I like eating healthy food just as much as the next guy on this board.
I am arguing that people are responsible for their actions. People who do not eat healthy and exercise are the problem.
Corporations can make all of the processed Twinkies they want. I will not buy them. If more Americans did this we wouldn't even have a debate. Other people on here think that the Twinkies are the problem because they are so cheap and that is all people can afford. I say bullshit.
I think what it boils down to is education. The poor are not educated as a whole and cannot exactly formulate an idea of putting together a healthy eating plan on a budget. I always find it interesting that most of the fast food adds are specifically targeted to the lower class. They are the ones fooled by the propaganda.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Very true. I agree 100%.
Just from what I have seen here locally, I never listen to the local hip hop channel but at the gym they play it sometimes. I am shocked at some of the commercials they have and they are much different than say the top 40 pop channel. Payday loans, fast food, and quick mart commercials are on all the time. I cringe because they have the announcer on it talking about how he gets his check early because he needs to go clubbing. People listen to this shit and go out and do the wrong thing.
Education is the key.
redsamurai
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C'mon, you know that some of these joints are offering 4-5 burgers and some fries and a drink for around $5. So each family member get's a burger and they share the drink and fries.
ok, now what's $3.50 x 4? You're looking at $14 for a family of 4 for one meal......that sounds really good, but there's people that just can't afford that 3 times a day. If you eat fast food you can feed a family of 4, although poorly, you can feed them for $15 a day, 3 meals. I don't know why you're fighting me on this....it's like common knowledge. I know so many kids that survived on fast food in college when money was tight. There's a reason you don't see too many college kids walking around a whole foods.
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that's just so disappointing AV, I can't beleive you really "honestly" have given this some real intellectual thought. You're a smart dude, I just don't get where this is missing you.
redsamurai
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Is it wrong for me to laugh here? I can only imagine how an educated black person must feel when they witness this sort of blatant racial marketing/exploitation. It's appalling and I feel for a minority who's managed to find their way out of the matrix and look's behind them and see's what they've gotten away from. I"m not even black and I'm sick and tired of watching young black guys eating fast food while rapping out some beats every time I turn the TV on. I can only imagine how cringy it must be for black people.
ok...speaking as someone who actually has to grocery shop for a family of 5
it is a lot cheaper to buy almost nothing but simple carbs (fettuchini alfredo, spaghetti) for my family then to get lots of produce/fresh meats
we don't buy junk food ...we don't eat at mcdonalds etc , almost nothing canned
and its still pretty effin impossible
I live in a pretty rural area so in the summer its not too bad, lotta local stands and farmers markets.
I have a dry cellar so keeping some root vegetables isnt impossible
we have a freezer so we can buy from the butcher in bulk
but for serious?? the economics of food aren't geared towards healthy eating since the advent of "enriched flour"
it is a lot cheaper to buy almost nothing but simple carbs (fettuchini alfredo, spaghetti) for my family then to get lots of produce/fresh meats
we don't buy junk food ...we don't eat at mcdonalds etc , almost nothing canned
and its still pretty effin impossible
I live in a pretty rural area so in the summer its not too bad, lotta local stands and farmers markets.
I have a dry cellar so keeping some root vegetables isnt impossible
we have a freezer so we can buy from the butcher in bulk
but for serious?? the economics of food aren't geared towards healthy eating since the advent of "enriched flour"
redsamurai
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stosstruppe
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It's quite cheap to get "healthy" food in the UK, or more accurately food that isn't obscenely bad for you (everything & everyone is being poisoned to various degrees in modern society whether you eat organic eggs or battery eggs etc), & it's up to you whether you grill it or deep fry said food.
I never understood people who micromanage their diet where they won't have a single slice of white bread, go for a meal with people where one of your courses might have a couple of high calorie condiments or have a few beers. Any idiot can be totalitarian with their diet, true discipline is being able to moderate.
People are grossly overweight because they choose to be.
300lb people can be malnourished too btw.
I never understood people who micromanage their diet where they won't have a single slice of white bread, go for a meal with people where one of your courses might have a couple of high calorie condiments or have a few beers. Any idiot can be totalitarian with their diet, true discipline is being able to moderate.
People are grossly overweight because they choose to be.
300lb people can be malnourished too btw.
this is a broad over generalization
while I agree that a good deal of the overweight or even morbidly obese make bad eating choices I challenge the statement
heavy abdominal fat can be caused by all kinds of things; hepatitis, pcos, hypothyroidism, insulin resistance leading to full blown type 2 diabetes
do you know how hard it is to avoid insulin resistance when your weekly food budget is say 100 bucks? I live in the northeast of the US where the growing season is short and food prices are high.
how about the simple fact that the food pyramid thats taught in grade school is scewed towards eating simple processed food?
eating a piece of white bread is like what...three table spoons of white sugar?
does your wheat bread have corn syrup in it?
can you ever find something in a package that isnt total crap that doesnt wreak havoc on your endocrine system????
have you ever TRIED to feed a teenager and toddler on the same menu/grocery list?
Im endlessly astounded by what the general population doesnt know....ie my friehofers (sp?) wheat bread and cold cut sandwhich is healthy eating...
sure maybe more healthy than twinkies but you might as well almost just eat the fricken twinkies
am I making any sense???
pfft
p.s. I like butter and nothing will convince me otherwise
while I agree that a good deal of the overweight or even morbidly obese make bad eating choices I challenge the statement
heavy abdominal fat can be caused by all kinds of things; hepatitis, pcos, hypothyroidism, insulin resistance leading to full blown type 2 diabetes
do you know how hard it is to avoid insulin resistance when your weekly food budget is say 100 bucks? I live in the northeast of the US where the growing season is short and food prices are high.
how about the simple fact that the food pyramid thats taught in grade school is scewed towards eating simple processed food?
eating a piece of white bread is like what...three table spoons of white sugar?
does your wheat bread have corn syrup in it?
can you ever find something in a package that isnt total crap that doesnt wreak havoc on your endocrine system????
have you ever TRIED to feed a teenager and toddler on the same menu/grocery list?
Im endlessly astounded by what the general population doesnt know....ie my friehofers (sp?) wheat bread and cold cut sandwhich is healthy eating...
sure maybe more healthy than twinkies but you might as well almost just eat the fricken twinkies
am I making any sense???
pfft
p.s. I like butter and nothing will convince me otherwise
chris302001
Banned
I love the expression "full blown"
redsamurai
Banned
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
I ate Chinese food tonight. It brings me great joy that I am contributing to the downfall of mankind.
well insulin resistance wouldn't be actual type 2 diabetes....but can evolve into it....
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
besides chris liking things being blown
I guess thats what I meant by it
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
besides chris liking things being blown
I guess thats what I meant by it
chris302001
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ricco561
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lol you either meet criteria or you dont.
But its just fun to day full blown.
fine chris......insulin dependent as opposed to diet modification or oral meds like glucophage...better?
*quietly strikes "full blown" from her vocab*
I see the point too ricco....I do... and the incidence of insulin resistence? I'd be willing to bet is pretty high.
but how much of the population do you see even get a fair chance?besides people that are maybe a little too vigilant to their diet and exercise how many do yoiu think really even realize theyre slowly being poisoned.
course at the same time I'm pissed at things like my kids not being able to take cupcakes to school for their birthday because of "childhood obesity" cuz my kids are twigs...
still a fan of this smiley
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
redsamurai
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the misdirection and miseducation is entirely on purpose, no question. All one has to look at are the marketing formula's. I don't like predatory economics. I don't subscribe to the notion that just because people are dumb it's ok to exploit their stupidity. What I just described is the "fall of man", it's why our system of capitalism will eventually fail because it's foundation is exactly as described above. That foundation eventually rots.
Here was the food industry's reaction to Mrs. Obama planting an organic garden.....
“We live in a very different world than that of our grandparents. Americans are juggling jobs with the needs of children and aging parents,” the letter states. “The time needed to tend a garden is not there for the majority of our citizens, certainly not a garden of sufficient productivity to supply much of a family’s year-round food needs.”
But MACA, which represents agribusinesses like Monsanto, Dow AgroSciences and DuPont Crop Protection, is rather less thrilled about the fact that no chemicals will be used to grow the crops. The group is worried that the decision may give consumers the wrong impression about conventionally grown food.
yes, they're worried "for us"......
Here was the food industry's reaction to Mrs. Obama planting an organic garden.....
“We live in a very different world than that of our grandparents. Americans are juggling jobs with the needs of children and aging parents,” the letter states. “The time needed to tend a garden is not there for the majority of our citizens, certainly not a garden of sufficient productivity to supply much of a family’s year-round food needs.”
But MACA, which represents agribusinesses like Monsanto, Dow AgroSciences and DuPont Crop Protection, is rather less thrilled about the fact that no chemicals will be used to grow the crops. The group is worried that the decision may give consumers the wrong impression about conventionally grown food.
yes, they're worried "for us"......
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
What is a better system than capitalism?
redsamurai
Banned
It's not "capitalism" that is the problem, it's our version of it. There is no issue with "pure capitalism". In fact, didn't Marx himself see capitalism as the end result of a period of time of socialism till a society was responsible enough to handle capitalism fully? Because capitalism at it's purest is the private ownership of anything and everything......no govt. "WHATSOEVER". This is miscessian economics. If govt. disappeared tommorrow, what would happen here? No fire dept, no cops no nothin........but under pure capitalism you cannot have any form of govt. whatsoever. So even now we aren't "really" capitalists, we're just more capitalist than most.
ricco561
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needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
I can agree with you 100% on that first statement.
Pure capitalism still finds a role for government. Some functions of society must be supported by the government. For example the police, military etc.
