Fonz-question on your cholesterol

[stonecold54]

were you taking any extras to help with your cholesterol during your cycle. I saw that you listed some on your last post in your thread but you did not say if you used say the garlic during your test. is there anything else you would recommend for lipid profile control specifically besides garlic and niacin. I just think we focus so much on the liver and kidneys when the heart is our source of life and that is what can be affected so much later down the road. thanks

 

[stonecold54]

bump for the fonz

 

[Fonz]

were you taking any extras to help with your cholesterol during your cycle. I saw that you listed some on your last post in your thread but you did not say if you used say the garlic during your test. is there anything else you would recommend for lipid profile control specifically besides garlic and niacin. I just think we focus so much on the liver and kidneys when the heart is our source of life and that is what can be affected so much later down the road. thanks

Even with HDL levels low, Garlic(Aillicin) which is 2.5 times more potent than HDL will do the job.

I'm talking 3200-6400mcg per meal though 3X/day.

Niacin is crap.

Guggulsterones at 180mg/day 60mg 3X/day are good as well.

T3 at 25mcgs/day will bring your total cholesterol down as well.

THE WORST thing fro cholesterol is anti-aromatase agents such as letrozole and anastrozole, they will destroy your HDL and increaase your LDL. I'd use tamoxifen instead if at all possible.

Same thing with Winstrol..it is the WORST AAS for HDL. As are most 17-aa's except for ox.

Fonz

 

[stonecold54]

thanks for the reply I have been using the garlic throughout my cycles. I will look into the other two.

 

[junk]

Hey Fonz that remark you made on the Anti Aromatase such as Femara (Letrozole) and Arimidex (Anastrozole) being the WORST thing for your cholesterol profile caught my eye.

Since I am using 750mg test and 600mg eq a week, I am taking 1 tab of Femara ED (I took half a tab ED and seems like it wasn't enought since I got BAD gyno symptoms into week 5 so I upped to to 2.5mg Letrozole and added Nolvadex at 60mg a day followed by maintanance of 20mg through the cycle.

You always here Femara and Liquidex are the shit! While Nolva being second best..

 

[OXANDRIN]

Re: Re: Fonz-question on your cholesterol

THE WORST thing fro cholesterol is anti-aromatase agents such as letrozole and anastrozole, they will destroy your HDL and increaase your LDL.


Fonz

i'm fucked

 

[stonecold54]

well anti-armo's are best for gyno and water weight they fuck with your lipid profile. novaldex just blocks the estrogen and doesn't mess with lipid profile but doesn't keep water off. so if you must use something like ldex for blood pressure then go ahead but I would rather use novaldex myself.

 

[Fonz]

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i'm fucked

Exmestane a.k.a Aromasin is the only anti-e that doesn'tkill your lipid/chol levels.

Fonz

 

[OXANDRIN]

why does femara?

and would adding 50mg clomid everyday help maintain a good hdl/ldl

and how long would it take if my cholesterol was 75/41(hdl/ldl) before i started to become 12/140?

 

[Fonz]

why does femara?

and would adding 50mg clomid everyday help maintain a good hdl/ldl

and how long would it take if my cholesterol was 75/41(hdl/ldl) before i started to become 12/140?

You need estrogen to have a good lipid/ chol profile.

Femara and Ana both destroy estrogen.

Clomid and novaldex are both weak estrogens therefore improve your lipid/chol profile.

FOnz

 

[junk]

To Fonz

Sorry I don't get it Fonz.

I understnad that Femara and Arimidex are Estrogen 'killers' So lipid levels should be hell.

HOWEVER,

If you take Femara and Liquidex DURING a heavy cycle. Doesn't the Femara takes care of only EXCESS estrogen ? Leaving the normal level as they would (on average).

EXAMPLE,

On my current cycle of 750mg test and 600eq (with fronloading) I felt REALLY itchy nipps during the 6th week into ALTHOUGH I took half tab of Letrozol ED. So If I get you correctly, there is PLENTY of ESTROGEN in my body even though I was using half a tab (As a proof I got severe gyno symptoms). So in my case the lipid and cholestrol profile are still good cause there was plenty more Estrogen than the Femara blocked?

I now use one tab of Femara ED along with Nolva. I assume that now using the one tab of Femara ED I should be around the normal Estrogen level for a man with the all the excess taking care of by the Femara.

 

[Lift Chief]

Re: Re: Re: Fonz-question on your cholesterol

i'm fucked

lol

 

[jboldman]

Hey Fonz, have you checked out phenytoin? It does a great job elevating hdl! I have not been able to detect any serious sides and there are some positive. When I saw the research, i immediately thought of your hdl!

jb

 

[junk]

Hey Fonz, could you reply please?

Sorry I don't get it Fonz.

I understnad that Femara and Arimidex are Estrogen 'killers' So lipid levels should be hell.

HOWEVER,

If you take Femara and Liquidex DURING a heavy cycle. Doesn't the Femara takes care of only EXCESS estrogen ? Leaving the normal level as they would (on average).

EXAMPLE,

On my current cycle of 750mg test and 600eq (with fronloading) I felt REALLY itchy nipps during the 6th week into ALTHOUGH I took half tab of Letrozol ED. So If I get you correctly, there is PLENTY of ESTROGEN in my body even though I was using half a tab (As a proof I got severe gyno symptoms). So in my case the lipid and cholestrol profile are still good cause there was plenty more Estrogen than the Femara blocked?

I now use one tab of Femara ED along with Nolva. I assume that now using the one tab of Femara ED I should be around the normal Estrogen level for a man with the all the excess taking care of by the Femara.

 

[jboldman]

c'mon fonz,a couple questions left unanswered!

jb

 

[Fonz]

Hey Fonz, could you reply please?

Sorry I don't get it Fonz.

I understnad that Femara and Arimidex are Estrogen 'killers' So lipid levels should be hell.

HOWEVER,

If you take Femara and Liquidex DURING a heavy cycle. Doesn't the Femara takes care of only EXCESS estrogen ? Leaving the normal level as they would (on average).

EXAMPLE,

On my current cycle of 750mg test and 600eq (with fronloading) I felt REALLY itchy nipps during the 6th week into ALTHOUGH I took half tab of Letrozol ED. So If I get you correctly, there is PLENTY of ESTROGEN in my body even though I was using half a tab (As a proof I got severe gyno symptoms). So in my case the lipid and cholestrol profile are still good cause there was plenty more Estrogen than the Femara blocked?

I now use one tab of Femara ED along with Nolva. I assume that now using the one tab of Femara ED I should be around the normal Estrogen level for a man with the all the excess taking care of by the Femara.

Different kinds of AAS mess differently with your cholesterol levels.

Tren,winstrol, anadrol, dball etc.. are the ones that will make your chol profile go for the worse. The more androgenic, the worse your chol profile ids going to be.(Total CHol, and LDL/HDL)

Now, anti-estrogens such as femara and anstrozole reduce estrogen by 95-98%. Now this while good for gyno, will pretty much obliterate your lipid(triglyceride levels will go through the roof).

Combine 1g Test w/ 2.5 Femara ED = Low HDL/High LDL High Total CHol and high triglycerides.

Now, if you were to add 50mg Clomid EOD to the above cycle(a weak estrogen) your total Chol levels, HDL/LDL levels, and triglycerides would improve.

However, I only use exmestane(aromasin) as it has negligible impact on lipids and total Chol.. Or if I don't have it, novaldex, which since is a weak estrogen will give you a nice lipid and total Chol profile.

HDL/LDL levels will always be shot no matter what the AAS you use unless its oxandrolone(anavar) or low dose test(2-300mg/week).

Hope that helps.

Fonz