Flame the newbies

[jmead]

seriously, it kind of sucks that people would rather flame all the dumbasses on here who have no clue what their doing, who post up cycles running 14 weeks of winny or cant figure out how to measure out the right dosage.. and then when someone asks for sound advice the thread gets looked over and ignored... ok im done ranting.. someone at least reply


ok.. here it is.. cycle went like this

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ED
wk 1-now test e 500-600mg week
wk 1-now eq 650-800mg wk
wk 8-15 npp 500mg wk
wk 10-14 dbol 50mg ED

i plan on runnin the test for another 3 weeks eq for another 2 gonna end the test after the eq so it clears at the same time.. stopped the npp early to let the nandrolone clear.. so i can run a full blown pct.. HCG, Clomid, Nolva

didnt want the nolva upregulating the PR and causing gyno issues..

ok so heres the rough draft.. so week 18 comes along.. last shot at the end of the 18th week

i then run my hcg for 14 days.. 500iu EOD..Sub Q..

wk 20 nolva 60mg ED, clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 21 nolva 40mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 22 nolva 20mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 23 nolva 10mg ED clomid 25mg ED, aifm

i plan on running IGF for the 4 weeks on PCT then 4 weeks off, and back on if i liked the results.. 50mcg ED PWO IM to try and stabilize some gains and save myself some losses..

i may have to use the AM dbol routine if i start to crash too hard..

any suggestions or alterations.. let me know guys.. i want to keep as much as possible.. first time running an actual PCT.. any suggestions on how to suppress cortisol levels and keep from burning up this newly aquired muscle gains

so far 6'5'' 253lbs around 9-10% .. will be posting pics during pct

flat bench is now 370
deads pushing 500
squat--- dont max because its gotten heavy enough it hurts my knees haha.. fuckin sucks havin a 38'' inseam

21 years old

ok.. time for advice/suggestions/alterations.. thanks guys its been a fun run

 

[jmead]

seriously, it kind of sucks that people would rather flame all the dumbasses on here who have no clue what their doing, who post up cycles running 14 weeks of winny or cant figure out how to measure out the right dosage.. and then when someone asks for sound advice the thread gets looked over and ignored... ok im done ranting.. someone at least reply


ok.. here it is.. cycle went like this

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ED
wk 1-now test e 500-600mg week
wk 1-now eq 650-800mg wk
wk 8-15 npp 500mg wk
wk 10-14 dbol 50mg ED

i plan on runnin the test for another 3 weeks eq for another 2 gonna end the test after the eq so it clears at the same time.. stopped the npp early to let the nandrolone clear.. so i can run a full blown pct.. HCG, Clomid, Nolva

didnt want the nolva upregulating the PR and causing gyno issues..

ok so heres the rough draft.. so week 18 comes along.. last shot at the end of the 18th week

i then run my hcg for 14 days.. 500iu EOD..Sub Q..

wk 20 nolva 60mg ED, clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 21 nolva 40mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 22 nolva 20mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 23 nolva 10mg ED clomid 25mg ED, aifm

i plan on running IGF for the 4 weeks on PCT then 4 weeks off, and back on if i liked the results.. 50mcg ED PWO IM to try and stabilize some gains and save myself some losses..

i may have to use the AM dbol routine if i start to crash too hard..

any suggestions or alterations.. let me know guys.. i want to keep as much as possible.. first time running an actual PCT.. any suggestions on how to suppress cortisol levels and keep from burning up this newly aquired muscle gains

so far 6'5'' 253lbs around 9-10% .. will be posting pics during pct

flat bench is now 370
deads pushing 500
squat--- dont max because its gotten heavy enough it hurts my knees haha.. fuckin sucks havin a 38'' inseam

21 years old

ok.. time for advice/suggestions/alterations.. thanks guys its been a fun run

21 views and not a word? GEE.. either i hit it dead on or you guys dont know what your reading?

 

[blut wump]

Eq has a really long half-life, even longer than Deca, and could take around 5 or 6 weeks from stopping it before you're PCT-worthy. It might be best to stop the Eq right away.

HCG fine.

Nolva + Clomid. These days I'm quite happy running clomid alone. I guess I'll run nolva again in the future since I have plenty left over but no longer feel any need for nolva.

The best way to stay anabolic is to eat the same as when on cycle. You'll not gain any weight that you can't cut off again over the following month and it will help to avoid muscle-loss. Keep lifting heavy in the gym but slash your volume.

Run the AIFM at a low dose, maybe 1 squirt ED tapering to one EOD, through to a couple of weeks past the end of the nolva/clomid.

I can't offer any suggestions on IGF

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm guessing people were intimidated by information overload.... here's my input .... I'm not quite sure why you ran, or are running (hard to tell where you're at from the post) the NPP and dbol at the end.... personally, I'd have used them only at the start... maybe instead an oral like winny, tbol or var at the end to solidify gains.... but that's just preference....

My suggestions are more so for your PCT: When you say your last shot is at the end of Week 18, it seems like that's test, right? I typically run HCG at 500iu ED for 10 days, but if you're running HCG for 14 days, then you can start the HCG the day after your last test shot.... when you're done, the test will have been out of your system...start Clomid the day after your last HCG shot.... skip the Nolva, using both Nolva and Clomid is overkill and you're just begging for nasty side effects....plus deca stays in your system for quite a while so even after a few weeks, the Nolva could cause issues if you're particularly gyno-sensitive.... just go with 50mg ED Clomid, it's a dosage that will give you minimal sides while still being effective.... run the Clomid for a minimum of 4-6 weeks... Also run an AI such as aromasin throughout your entire PCT, very important! As for IGF during PCT, I'm a believer.... it worked for me during my last PCT... 4 weeks at that dosage should do you nicely... I would split the dosage into two shots, one in the AM and one immediately post-workout. Finally, if you're particularly concerned with cortisol levels during PCT, try Phosphatidylserine.

Good luck!

 

[blut wump]

I just noticed that you don't mention whether you're running any AI at the moment; you only mention AIFM from week 20. You should be running nolva or AIFM or aromasin when you hit the HCG.

 

[genman]

seriously, it kind of sucks that people would rather flame all the dumbasses on here who have no clue what their doing, who post up cycles running 14 weeks of winny or cant figure out how to measure out the right dosage.. and then when someone asks for sound advice the thread gets looked over and ignored... ok im done ranting.. someone at least reply


ok.. here it is.. cycle went like this

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ED
wk 1-now test e 500-600mg week
wk 1-now eq 650-800mg wk
wk 8-15 npp 500mg wk
wk 10-14 dbol 50mg ED

i plan on runnin the test for another 3 weeks eq for another 2 gonna end the test after the eq so it clears at the same time.. stopped the npp early to let the nandrolone clear.. so i can run a full blown pct.. HCG, Clomid, Nolva

didnt want the nolva upregulating the PR and causing gyno issues..

ok so heres the rough draft.. so week 18 comes along.. last shot at the end of the 18th week

i then run my hcg for 14 days.. 500iu EOD..Sub Q..

wk 20 nolva 60mg ED, clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 21 nolva 40mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 22 nolva 20mg ED clomid 50mg ED, aifm
wk 23 nolva 10mg ED clomid 25mg ED, aifm

i plan on running IGF for the 4 weeks on PCT then 4 weeks off, and back on if i liked the results.. 50mcg ED PWO IM to try and stabilize some gains and save myself some losses..

i may have to use the AM dbol routine if i start to crash too hard..

any suggestions or alterations.. let me know guys.. i want to keep as much as possible.. first time running an actual PCT.. any suggestions on how to suppress cortisol levels and keep from burning up this newly aquired muscle gains

so far 6'5'' 253lbs around 9-10% .. will be posting pics during pct

flat bench is now 370
deads pushing 500
squat--- dont max because its gotten heavy enough it hurts my knees haha.. fuckin sucks havin a 38'' inseam

21 years old

ok.. time for advice/suggestions/alterations.. thanks guys its been a fun run

Very strong cycle and very smart to stop the npp early. The only issue I would have is the dbol wk 10-14. I would replace it with winny or even var, but that's my personal preference. Very well thought out pct.

 

[rake922]

jmead what were your stats before cycle?

 

[jmead]

jmead what were your stats before cycle?

honestly i cant remember what i actually weighed, id have to dig up some old posts.. i think i was 6'5'' 215ish.. normally 220.. around 8-9%


as far as the igf, from the suggestions from most, im gonna split the dosage one in the am one immediately PWO..

ive run an AI throughout the cycle.. started with aromasin+aifm ED, then switched to letro when i reintroduced the dbol..

i added the npp in later because i didnt get it until then, i was gonna stick wtih test/eq bc i was afraid of combating nandrolone sides.. but after hearing about the shorter actin deca.. and how sides can go away in days.. i decided to toss it in.. definately added some gains

yes my last shot is going to be test, im stoppin the eq a week before the test, to give it 3 weeks to clear before pct

also i believe ive read somewhere that you can start your pct before the esters have totally cleared and it wont have much effect as long as levels are minimal.

 

[zk7]

sounds complicated for nothing, just stick to TEst and Dbol forget the stupid deca. and other junk.

 

[zk7]

forget the useless eq , just keep it simply dude. no need to alternate weird combos. test and dbol and do it for 12 weeks and take aromasin or something for anti e.

SIMPLICITY IS KEY NOT COMPLICATION

 

[blut wump]

I usually time my PCT to begin as my calculated daily uptake from any test from the cycle falls into the 5-7mg range so, yes, you do begin PCT before the esters clear. Starting PCT too soon, though, is wasteful and, worse, can lead to terminating PCT too soon since you think that you've already run it long enough.

I've never run Eq so have no personal experience of how suppressive it is. I definitely get the impression that it's not bad like a nandrolone but that long half-life needs to be considered and I think just one week might be cutting it too finely, especially since you're running more Eq than Test. Still, I hope you report back on your recovery. Have you run it through a pct-half-life calculator?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

use of nolva even 5 weeks out from NPP can still cause issues. Less likely but still possible.

also 60mg nolva is HIGH. 20mg is more than sufficient. and if you run nolva would only use 7-10 days at the beginning (half life is quite long). If you use HCG use during that period, LOW dose 200-400iu e3-4d

 

[palehorse51]

Yeah, i agree. the flamers are the ones who think they are hard because they are sitting behind a computer. FUCK EM!!

My advice? Fuck all that pct crap (except for the anti E's!!!) and run a HRT dose(200-250mg wk) of test E or C for 10-14 weeks then ramp back up again.

 

[jmead]

forget the useless eq , just keep it simply dude. no need to alternate weird combos. test and dbol and do it for 12 weeks and take aromasin or something for anti e.

SIMPLICITY IS KEY NOT COMPLICATION

I hope a barbell falls on your neck and severs your head, im almost done with the cycle, learn to fuckin read.. please unsubscribe

 

[jmead]

Yeah, i agree. the flamers are the ones who are hard because they are sitting behind a computer.

My advice? Fuck all that pct crap(except for the anti E's!!!) and run a HRT dose(200-250mg wk) of test E or C for 10-14 weeks then ramp back up again.

im 21, 22 in june rather not go HRT route this early..

around 26 or so, that sounds fun.. but honestly my body needs a break from injections, the EOD and E3d was hittin hard.. and honsestly id like to keep my natural test levels haha


so macro.. could you revise my pct with your advice included into an actual schedule breakdown.. its easier for me to break it down that way..

your saying run the HCG after my last test shot, which is a week after my last eq shot..for 7-14 days 400iu E3d

start pct 3 weeks after my last eq shot, 2 weeks after the test (which is the same day.. just incase thats confusing)
wk 19,20 HCG 400iu E3d

wk 21 20mg nolva, 50mg clomid, aifm,IGFlr3 25mcg AM, 25mcg PWO
wk 22 20mg nolva, 50mg clomid, aifm,IGF-lr3 25mcg AM, 25mcg PWO
wk 23 50mg clomid, aifm,IGF-lr3 25mcg AM, 25mcg PWO
wk 24 50mg clomid, aifm,IGF-lr3 25mcg AM, 25mcg PWO

is 3 weeks enough for the EQ to clear? 2 weeks enough for test e..

 

[wags8]

I hope a barbell falls on your neck and severs your head, im almost done with the cycle, learn to fuckin read.. please unsubscribe

There you go, flaming away. That dude's like a boil that won't go away. It's easier to jump on people with both feet than to give out sound advice. The trick is to get the right guys to respond to your questions and you've done enough research so that your questions are not easy.

 

[jmead]

There you go, flaming away. That dude's like a boil that won't go away. It's easier to jump on people with both feet than to give out sound advice. The trick is to get the right guys to respond to your questions and you've done enough research so that your questions are not easy.

ya ive noticed ive kind of made giving me advice a pain in the ass, but hey.. knowledge is power.. if im gonna shoot horomones into my body im gonna know what the fuck im doin.. i cure high school kids gyno like no other.. haha

seems like everyone at the gym has gyno now days

 

[wags8]

ya ive noticed ive kind of made giving me advice a pain in the ass, but hey.. knowledge is power.. if im gonna shoot horomones into my body im gonna know what the fuck im doin.. i cure high school kids gyno like no other.. haha

seems like everyone at the gym has gyno now days

Hey man, off topic but are you playing any ball at all anymore? I remember you saying you were a pitcher? How would the bigger version of you do on the ball diamond? Roger Clemens?

 

[jmead]

Hey man, off topic but are you playing any ball at all anymore? I remember you saying you were a pitcher? How would the bigger version of you do on the ball diamond? Roger Clemens?

you sound like my dad.. haha just fuckin with you.. the bigger version of me would probably tear every tendon in my arm if i was going to even pick up a baseball.. i was throwing 94-95mph as a string bean.. 6'5 195lbs benched like eeeeh 180..never got into heavy lifting.. until i quit because of some arm trouble that is


AAS and lifting is definately my new hobby haha