First time

[Benzi]

I'm 135 lbs, 8% bf, looking to make big gains this summer. Any info on a good beginner's stack(oral), with agents to countereffect the side effects, and prices would be appreciated. I am looking to build mass with the stack(as little water retention as possible), keep the mass when i get off, and cut on my own. Also, I would like to know some diet secrets and new workout methods while on the stack. Thanks guys.

 

[ultragainz]

deca or eq/winny/test..and some prov in the cycle is good too....or take out the winny add some d-bol for the first 4-6 weeks at 25-35mgs

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, there is a reason there aren't many all-oral stacks.

Anyways, you need to talk to Mustang, he can set you up pretty good, and will probably stop by later. Just a word of caution, try not to lavish praise upon him, he's got such a big ego now and that would only encourage him. lol

It would help if you let us know what you can get your hands on, plus it would help if you give us an idea of what cycle you want to do. That way we could tweak it.

There are many real good guys here, help them out by showing us the cycle you have come up with, or at least mention some a.s. by name and why you want to use them in your cycle.

Otherwise, the only things you are going to get are shots in the dark and full-on guesses.

 

[Bossman]

A good first time stack is always deca 400mg a week for 10 weeks, sustenon 500mg a week for 10 weeks, and dbol 30mg a day for the first five weeks. To prevent the water retention and to gaurd against the effects of estrogen you will need arimidex at .25mg every day and start clomid two and a half to three weeks after your last shot at 100mg every day for the first week and 50mg every day for the second and third weeks. Training while on should be one body part per day hitting each bady part once a week. Post cycle training should use heavy weights, low rep, compund movements and should not be as intense. Combine this with a diet of 3500-4000 calories a day, 250-300g protein a day, and at least 8 hours sleep every night (yes, EVERY night) and you will be one big bastard. If you have a good source this cycle will cost approximately $700-800. I know that sounds like a lot, but that is the cost do do it right with the clomid and arimidex.

 

[Benzi]

I wish I knew

I wish i know what stack i wanted to use. I am completely knew to these supplements and my gym is supplement-free (it sux). I just want to know product, time, doseage, and price of a good begginer stack (oral) with minimal side effects. Nothing to big, just something to pack on a couple of pounds that won't leave me the second i get off the supplement and take a piss. Something mild but affective. Someone told me something about a deca, testaviron, and clomid stack. Hopefully that will help. Thanks again guys.

 

[Benzi]

Thanks BossMan, but i was hoping for something oral and less than 10 weeks. Sorry, should specified it earlier.

 

[Bossman]

For a good cycle you are going to need injectibles, not just orals. Deca, sus, and tesaviron are all injectibles. You may be shy on needles now, but most injectibles will be less harsh on your liver than orals.

 

[Bulldog_10]

OK. I just started my first cycle. I got alot of good advice from alot of people on this board. I did alot of research and this is the best cycle i came up with for my goals (get huge!):

Test (sust) 500mg/week weeks 1-10
EQ 400mg/week weeks 1-10
D-bol 25mg/day weeks 1-4
Clomid 100 mg/day week 13
Clomid 50 mg ED week 14
Clomid 50 mg EOD week 15

1000mg milk thistle and 1000mg primrose oil everyday throughout (for the liver) and I am also taking .25mg a day of arimidex for water retention.

This is a very basic cycle, but at the same time it will be VERY effective. I started about 3 weeks ago and am seeing killer results!

Whatever you decide to do GOOD LUCK and EAT!!!!!

 

[Bulldog_10]

I know you were looking for something under 10 weeks and "oral" but there's no way around injections and a good cycle has to last more than 4-5 weeks. I wasn't looking forward to my first injection either, but it ain't that bad!

Good Luck Bro!

B10

 

[cyberstiener]

re Bulldog_10

Hey Bulldog, your cycle looks alot like the cycle I'm planning, except I'm going to use aratest instead of sus.
Your right about all the info on the board with some great advise. I've changed my planned cycle at least 5 times as I read more.
Let me know how it continues

 

[Bulldog_10]

Sounds good cyberstiener!

I changed my planned cycle a million times before deciding on this one. The first 3 weeks are going GREAT! I'm sure you'll like the results of that cycle! I'll e-mail you with some specific results!