First time using steroids - advice needed.

[shagnasty]

hi,
This is my first time taking steroids and was wondering if I could get some advice/help. I have read the newbie post and various other research.

My friend has given me 5 amps of Test Enanthate (250mg) and has told me to take one a week for 5 weeks and on the last week stack with 1 amp of sustanon (250mg). Now to be honest i dont think he has a clue about steroids and hasnt done much research. After doing my own research I was wondering if it would be better to start with something like SUS or DECA and also take anti-e's like 50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day?

I think Enanthate may be to strong for me to start my first cycle with. Am i right or is what my friend says a good way to start?

P.S. Is Nolvadex and Proviron available from a chemist or online only?

All help is greatly appreciated and I thank you for taking the time to read this.

STATS
1 - Age - 22
2 - Lifting History - have been trainig for around 2.5 years
3 - Height - 5' 11"
4 - Weight - 13 stone
5 - Estimated BF% - 12.5%
6 - Diet - lots of protein, chicken, eggs, fish etc, carbs - pasta, potatoes etc
7 - Goals - I want to be Cut, big but not huge, defined.
8 - Proposed cycle - as above but to be confirmed.

regards.

 

[gettinstarted]

hi,
This is my first time taking steroids and was wondering if I could get some advice/help. I have read the newbie post and various other research.

My friend has given me 5 amps of Test Enanthate (250mg) and has told me to take one a week for 5 weeks and on the last week stack with 1 amp of sustanon (250mg). Now to be honest i dont think he has a clue about steroids and hasnt done much research. After doing my own research I was wondering if it would be better to start with something like SUS or DECA and also take anti-e's like 50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day?

I think Enanthate may be to strong for me to start my first cycle with. Am i right or is what my friend says a good way to start?

P.S. Is Nolvadex and Proviron available from a chemist or online only?

All help is greatly appreciated and I thank you for taking the time to read this.

STATS
1 - Age - 22
2 - Lifting History - have been trainig for around 2.5 years
3 - Height - 5' 11"
4 - Weight - 13 stone
5 - Estimated BF% - 12.5%
6 - Diet - lots of protein, chicken, eggs, fish etc, carbs - pasta, potatoes etc
7 - Goals - I want to be Cut, big but not huge, defined.
8 - Proposed cycle - as above but to be confirmed.

regards.

you need more gear bro, i hope you didnt pay too much for that lol MY first cycle was 500 mg test enthante a week and 400 mg deca a week for 10 weeks. with 35 mg dbol a day for weeks 1-4. you might wanna try something like that

 

[shagnasty]

you need more gear bro, i hope you didnt pay too much for that lol MY first cycle was 500 mg test enthante a week and 400 mg deca a week for 10 weeks. with 35 mg dbol a day for weeks 1-4. you might wanna try something like that

He gave me them for nothing lol...
should I take anti-e's to reduce water retention etc?

 

[jmt24]

if you want to be cut, you dont need aas. now if you want to add lean muscle and not gain fat and then cut, then id say aas will help. some ppl may say to wait a couple more years till you're a lil older, but thats up to you. for your first, id say 250mg-500mg test e for 10-12 weeks.

 

[BigCracker]

You're still pretty young to be juicing, but if you must I would rather see you take test e by itself for a longer period of time-like 8 weeks. 250mgs/wk should be enough. Get some Nolvadex from AG Guys(EF site sponsor) for pct or in case you start to get gyno(which I doubt will happen on such low mgs-but ya never know?)

Just remember-you're about to dance with the devil. I promised myself in the beginning that I'd just do one cycle. I kept my word-the cycle has lasted 16 yrs though. lol

 

[bobdudeman]

Seems like you still need a lot to research. Whats your pct schedule consist of? IMO, try a test only cycle to see how you react to it without compounding too much on top of it. @ 22 you are still producing enough naturaltest to do all you want if you want to get cut up and add a little bulk. Eat clean, cardio cardio cardio, lift lift lift, eat eat eat, repeat.

 

[Ozz2001]

Anyone telling you to use AAS at the age of 22 is crazy.....30's yes 22 no your still just a kid....But of course everyone so far thats told you what to are newbies too...

 

[jumpshot]

you need at least 8 weeks, best 10. It would be better to lose the sust and get 3-5 more amps of test e. Run an AI like AIFM from ag-guys during the cycle and run the nolvadex in pct (not during unless gyno pops up).

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

your friend did you right with the test e, it's not too powerful.

 

[bluehen]

hi,
This is my first time taking steroids and was wondering if I could get some advice/help. I have read the newbie post and various other research.

My friend has given me 5 amps of Test Enanthate (250mg) and has told me to take one a week for 5 weeks and on the last week stack with 1 amp of sustanon (250mg). Now to be honest i dont think he has a clue about steroids and hasnt done much research. After doing my own research I was wondering if it would be better to start with something like SUS or DECA and also take anti-e's like 50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day?

I think Enanthate may be to strong for me to start my first cycle with. Am i right or is what my friend says a good way to start?

P.S. Is Nolvadex and Proviron available from a chemist or online only?

All help is greatly appreciated and I thank you for taking the time to read this.

STATS
1 - Age - 22
2 - Lifting History - have been trainig for around 2.5 years
3 - Height - 5' 11"
4 - Weight - 13 stone
5 - Estimated BF% - 12.5%
6 - Diet - lots of protein, chicken, eggs, fish etc, carbs - pasta, potatoes etc
7 - Goals - I want to be Cut, big but not huge, defined.
8 - Proposed cycle - as above but to be confirmed.

regards.

You need more time in the gym training natural.

 

[BigCracker]

Anyone telling you to use AAS at the age of 22 is crazy.....30's yes 22 no your still just a kid....But of course everyone so far thats told you what to are newbies too...

I'm a newbie??? LOL!!! Anytime you wanna compare pics let me know.

Be realistic. How many guys actually hit the gym daily with a sickness for thickness that actually wait that long? I wonder what Lee Priest said when someone told him he was too young to juice? He won Mr Australia at age 19 and I doubt he was natural. If he'd have listened to you he'd probably hunting kangaroos for a living instead of this resume'.

BTW-Lee was born in 1972- I doubt he ever competed natural-you do the math.

• 1989 Mr. Universe - IFBB, 2nd
• 1989 Mr. Australia - IFBB, Overall Winner
• 1990 Mr. Australia - IFBB, Overall Winner
• 1990 World Amateur Championships - IFBB, 4th
• 1990 World Amateur Championships - IFBB, Lightweight, 4th
• 1991 Mr. Australia - IFBB, Overall Winner
• 1993 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, 9th
• 1994 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 7th
• 1994 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
• 1994 Night of Champions - IFBB, 12th
• 1994 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 7th
• 1995 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 9th
• 1995 Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
• 1995 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
• 1995 South Beach Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
• 1996 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
• 1996 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 6th
• 1997 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 7th
• 1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 5th
• 1997 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
• 1997 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 9th
• 1997 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 3rd
• 1997 Grand Prix Hungary - IFBB, 3rd
• 1997 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 9th
• 1997 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 3rd
• 1997 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
• 1997 Olympia - IFBB, 6th
• 1997 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
• 1998 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
• 1999 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 6th
• 1999 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 9th
• 1999 Ironman 6th Place
• 2000 Night of Champions 5th Place Night of Fixes
• 2000 Mr. Olympia 6th Place
• 2001 Ironman 7th, after bad virus
• 2002 Ironman Pro Invitational - 2nd
• 2002 IFBB Arnold Classic - 4th
• 2002 San Francisco Grand Prix - 1st


Granted, Priest is a genetic freak, but there's no need to piss in some newbies Cheerios if they're gonna do what they want to anyway. The guy already has his gear(part of it anyway)-sounds like he made up his mind already. Just my .02 cc's.

 

[zips92]

Nice post for a beginner and newbie, looks like you have read the rules. You are really on the cusp of your endogenous testosterone production starting to decline a little, everyone is different of course. It just doesn't make sense to take AAS when your natural test levels are near their highest.

With that said, you are at an age where you can probably start considering using AAS to help you with your athletic or bodybuilding goals. But, please be committed mentally, don't start just because you got some free gear.

Now, regarding your products and questions, test enth is a long acting ester, and IMO, you really don't have enough to begin a cycle. Test enth should be taken for longer duration. Simply put, once you start seeing results, your cylce will be over. You'll shut your system down for only 2 - 3 weeks of results. Why?

In general, an aromitase inhibitor is usually a good thing with test. You need to focus on being prepared for Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) so you can recover faster, and of course prolong your gains. AG-Guys can help you with all of that, and you do not need a prescription.

Personally I don't feel test enth is too strong an AAS to begin a cycle with. It's nice because of fewer injects, but if you experience some bad sides with a long acting ester, it takes a lot longer for them to clear.

Deca is not a good steroid to do your first cycle with IMO, because nandrolones will usually shut you down the hardest of all AAS. Unless you have a clear understanding of the difference between estrogen, prolactin and progesterone sides, I would stay away from Deca for now. I strongly encourage using winny with Deca and many will recommend dostinex/cabaser. If you don't understand, don't even think about Deca now.

Get more gear bro before you start that test cycle. Once you start, there really is no turning back, and you really want your first cycle to go well. Good luck.

 

[Mr.X]

STATS
1 - Age - 22
2 - Lifting History - have been trainig for around 2.5 years
3 - Height - 5' 11"
4 - Weight - 13 stone
5 - Estimated BF% - 12.5%
6 - Diet - lots of protein, chicken, eggs, fish etc, carbs - pasta, potatoes etc
7 - Goals - I want to be Cut, big but not huge, defined.
8 - Proposed cycle - as above but to be confirmed.

regards.

You can train naturally for another 3-5 years easily, dial-in your diet, training, cardio and rest.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

You can train naturally for another 3-5 years easily, dial-in your diet, training, cardio and rest.

Thank God.

I was going to chime in with the 'need some more time to build the base speech' but you beat me to it.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

You need more time in the gym training natural.

cool - I 'll get you back on the karma, I'm all out.

 

[UFC22]

Spend another year on the boards researching and getting or diet and some more natty muscle on you. Then try a test or test/dbol cycle for 10wks at 500mgs/EW.

 

[The Iotola]

Thing is some of these younger guys dont have the dedication, desire to train for 3 years clean and then try it. They want it quick, as we know this country is all about fast results, and AAS is a surefire way to get them.

 

[bluehen]

cool - I 'll get you back on the karma, I'm all out.

That's comming from someone that trained for 16 years before doing anything.

 

[BigCracker]

Should you decide to be responsible and train naturally a few more years you can mail me those 5 amps of test E. Why risk getting caught with them if you're not using them? Just lookin' out for ya, bro.

 

[jp000]

As a newbie to gear myself, (but not to lifting...10 years of the big 3 under my belt) let me give you some good newbie advice that has really helped me.

If you decide to use gear start out using only one type at a time. That way you will learn what it does to your body and what type of sides it gives you. If you are running 2 or 3 different compounds and get sides you won't know which one is causing it.

But.....if you want to go the really hard core route I know what could pack on about 5 lbs of LBM in about 1.5 months (given you stats).

DEADLIFTS!!!!! Keep you back straight and weights HEAVY!!!!!

Good Luck.

 

[shagnasty]

thanks for all the responses guys, much appreciated. Gonna do more research and then decide if im gonna start a cycle or not. If I do il get some more test e and and ant-e.

thanks again.