First time taking a cycle..

[GloryRoad]

I've been steady at the gym for 2 years now and I've decided its time to do my first cycle. I'm 23 years old 6'1 and about 185 pounds. I've read just about as much of the basic's I can on roids and I'm trying to make my final decisions as to what I want to take. I dont want to go with the inject just simply because I dont want to mess with sticking myself every other day so I've decided to go with pills. My best friends is on a cycle of winstrol, but he's got a much larger fram and has diffrent needs. I'm a hard gainer and want to put on pure size, and not mess up my liver with an overload of toxins. Any advice as to what would a good pill to look for would be greatly appreciated

Brandon

 

[Bruce]

keep lifting and eat more. how many calories are you getting in. if you are scared of needles you should not jiuce. orals are good for kicking off but very hard on cholesterol lipids and liver you name it. liver isn't nearly as badly effected as your cholesterol is with orals. you can run winny, tbol and anavar alone as far as orals i would not advise dbol only. you can put on a few lbs of lean mass about 7-10 with the tbol in 4 weeks if you eat right and train right but it all depends on that. still its a dumb first cycle. you should use something like test eq or primo as a base.

 

[Stacemranger]

If you're not ready to stick yourself, give up the idea of gear. I was scared my first time too, but it's so easy and quick. Oral only cycles are definitely a waste of time, from experience. I've done dbol and tbol by themselves, two different cycles. Both waste of time. My first inject cycle I gained 24lbs and kept 18 after PCT. First cycle was Test only. On second cycle now. Test, deca, drol, tbol. Already have my third cycle, which will be my contest prep cycle, ready to go to start in spring. If you're not ready to stick yourself, you're not ready for gear.

 

[GloryRoad]

See thats exactly what I DONT want to do.. Take 2.. 3.. 5 cycles. I naturally have a small frame, and I need something unnatural to help me get where protien and eating right wont help me get. I just want to do one cycle to help me get what I cant get. Just dont want to mess with needles every other day.. not scared of a shot by any means just more convieniant to take pills

 

[GloryRoad]

About a year ago I took a cycle of 1-AD.. Now I know that stuff wasnt the best in the world, but I saw some decent gains from it. My bench went up 30 lbs and I gained around 8 pounds. Just thought I could do a cycle of the real deal and it help me see better gains.

 

[Bonkme2]

At 6'1" you hardly have a small frame.
They're all right...do your first cycle the right way or forget it.
If you want to gain weight, EAT MORE. At 185lbs, I guarantee you're not eating enough.

Here's the simple version: If you didn't workout at all and ate like a pig, you'd get fat. If you workout and eat like a pig, you'll get big and fat. If you're not gaining any weight at all, then it's not enough calories.

And you don't need to stick yourself EOD. 250mgs of Test E 2x a week would be fine to start with.

 

[GloryRoad]

Well I might be 6'1 but I have 13.5 inch arms, and a 25 inch chest. I'm definatly a lot stronger than I look, but I just dont have the size, and never have. I eat fairly healthy and I do eat a lot. I work in a wharehouse right now, and its been over a 100 degrees here pretty much all summer. So thats why I'm not packing on any weight. As far as a 250 shot twice a week.. that I could probably do.

 

[black sheep]

First of all you don't need to "mess with needles every other day" - You can/should do a cycle of Long ester test or Sust - which would only require you to shoot 1cc two times a week. That is gravy! It is easier than remembering to take a pill every 4 or 8 hours depending on what the oral is. It is also better knowing you are not stressing your liver, and you wont get the sides associated with the "bulking" orals.

Pick up 2 bottles of long ester test (Cyp or Enath, or Sust) and shoot 1 cc on Monday and 1cc on Thursday for 10 weeks.

You will grow like a weed if you eat, sleep and train right.

 

[GloryRoad]

If i eat right, and train right with a cycle of Long ester test or Sust what kinda gains could/should I see.. I know everyone's diffrent but kinda a ballpark figure would be cool. Gain of 10-15 pounds, and a bench increase of 30-40 maybe?

 

[black sheep]

My first cycle was sust - 2 shots a week for 10 weeks. I did not know much about diet, and I did not eat nearly as much as I should have and I gained 22lbs and kept 18 after PCT.

My lift went up ~25% across the board!

 

[theprofessor]

If you're not ready to stick yourself, give up the idea of gear. I was scared my first time too, but it's so easy and quick. Oral only cycles are definitely a waste of time, from experience. I've done dbol and tbol by themselves, two different cycles. Both waste of time. My first inject cycle I gained 24lbs and kept 18 after PCT. First cycle was Test only. On second cycle now. Test, deca, drol, tbol. Already have my third cycle, which will be my contest prep cycle, ready to go to start in spring. If you're not ready to stick yourself, you're not ready for gear.

i dont quite agree with this... if someone dosnt like pins... they have tabs as an alternative... though they wont have NEAR the results they would... some people have had decent gains on orals... myself included... however... after proper research here... i would NEVER run an oral only cycle again having used injectables now...
and also... i dont think he's ready beside that... only working out 2 years isnt quite enough imo... 25inch waist what is your waist size???? if your chest is smaller than your waist you are DEFINATELY not ready for any type of steroid... nor will theie effect last due to your (most likely) bad diet...
he needs to post up his diet and we can start from there...

 

[GloryRoad]

Yup my chest is smaller than my waist. My waist is 33' and chest 25.5'.. I eat a protien shake every morning, about 12-15 oz, mid morning I eat a powerbar, lunch I eat 2 chicken breast and usualy a can of soup, eat another power bar for mid afternoon, then eat 5-6 eggs with 2 pieces of whole wheat toast, and maybe a hand full of strawberries, or a couple applles before bed. I just work my ass off all day and I sweat it off.

 

[Neo22]

Well I might be 6'1 but I have 13.5 inch arms, and a 25 inch chest. I'm definatly a lot stronger than I look, but I just dont have the size, and never have. I eat fairly healthy and I do eat a lot. I work in a wharehouse right now, and its been over a 100 degrees here pretty much all summer. So thats why I'm not packing on any weight. As far as a 250 shot twice a week.. that I could probably do.

This has to be a joke. Are you crippled or something? YOu are 6'1 185 with 13' arms and want to do a cycle?? OH MAH GOD

 

[juicedmick]

Whats ur diet look like?

 

[Recruit]

After a while you crave the feeling of the needle going in...I get all excited on inject days...

 

[GetBig10]

After a while you crave the feeling of the needle going in...I get all excited on inject days...

hahaha same here bro..

 

[dsh89]

Power bars are garbage. You need to eat real food. Just by reading what you wrote as a sample of your diet, you are not getting enough calories. If I ate that Iwould shrivel up. One pound is 3500 calories. You must intake more than you expend in order to gain. You are not gaining any weight because you are not eating enough.

Injectables are the way to go, and orals for support. But with what you are saying about your diet, you are nowhere close to needing a cycle bro. You diet is about half of what I eat when i am cutting. Eat big, lift big, GET BIG!

 

[theprofessor]

Yup my chest is smaller than my waist. My waist is 33' and chest 25.5'.. I eat a protien shake every morning, about 12-15 oz, mid morning I eat a powerbar, lunch I eat 2 chicken breast and usualy a can of soup, eat another power bar for mid afternoon, then eat 5-6 eggs with 2 pieces of whole wheat toast, and maybe a hand full of strawberries, or a couple applles before bed. I just work my ass off all day and I sweat it off.

not trying to knock you bro... but that aint much to sweat off... you need to totaly revamp your diet... that is definately the problem...
ditch the powerbars... not enough calories... not enough protein...
if you HAVE to have a bar... find one at least 500 calories 30g protein... i dont know much about bars as i dont eat them...
real food is the way to go...and LOTS of it...
beef should be your new best friend... the eggs are good too... but you could eat more... and it would make a great breakfast... add 5 eggs to your morning shake... and some oatmeal...
lunch is ok... but you could ditch the soup and eat peanut butter and cottage cheese... much better...
immediately after you work out you need a shake with at least 30g protein... and then 45ish minutes later... eat a big ass steak and some potatoes and greens...
snack on nuts all day long...
i know you may think you are eating a lot... and you may be... compared to the people around you... but it is far from enough to be a good enough diet to assume you need AAS to grow...
eat 5000+ calories a day... and you will see as good of gains as you would doing steroids with your current diet...
im not a diet specialist... personaly i can eat anything in sight and not get fat... so i would suggest going to the diet forum and posting up there and see what they have to offer... it will definately be more food though...

 

[iHulk]

stop being a pooosay. Stick yourself twice per week. Ihulk fucken loves sticking himself and so should you. LOL!

...and lay of those sugar infested power bars. They aren't worth shit.

 

[buffanator604]

wow

 

[GloryRoad]

Hmm Really good advice from you guys. I'm definatly glad I asked Now that winter is coming I'm gonna just try and bulk and see if I cant get more progress by changing up my diet and eating as much as possible AND I'LL THROW AWAY THOSE DAMN POWER BARS haha

Anything else I should look into taking supplement wise right now? Only two things I take are 100% Whey shakes, and the Universal Animal Pak multi vitamins...??? I tried the NO Explode and it was oookay just wasnt really impressed with it.

 

[cboogsrun]

i'd lay off the beer if your waist is 8" bigger than your chest. Or learn how to take measurements, that can't be right if you've lifted for 2 years. Something doesn't add up. I'd definately get your diet dialed in before you take the plunge.

 

[Bruce]

bottom line you probably are like me. let me tell you how important food is and how unimportant the gear is. i was 189 6-9% a few days ago before i moved, that is the heaviest ive been. ive been eating 2lbs of steak ed and 1 lb of chicken. carbs before workout but lots of fucking beef. i had to move and only was able to eat some ramen noodles and mcd's, in the past 5 days ive gotten in maybe 3 meals a day. ive lost 9 lbs almost. its all food buddy. i took winstrol for a long ass time when i thought it was magic. it did nothing on a 3500 cal diet. 5000cals is what you need to be eating. you just arent eating enough, saying that you need a steroid that will do what protein and training wont' makes no sense. do you think that some pills are going to just change your frame. it takes long work. you can take all the gear you want but if you don't eat it is a complete waste. i would log a diet of 5000cals and 300g of protein. you will grow like a weed and you seem to be an ecto like me so you should stay shredded eating whatever you want. everyone says they eat a lot i used to. 4 meals is not a lot ok. 6-7 meals to the point you want to vomit is eating almost enough bro. diet diet diet. wish i hadn't wasted so many dumb cycles like you are about to.

 

[Bruce]

bottom line you probably are like me. let me tell you how important food is and how unimportant the gear is. i was 189 6-9% a few days ago before i moved, that is the heaviest ive been. ive been eating 2lbs of steak ed and 1 lb of chicken. carbs before workout but lots of fucking beef. i had to move and only was able to eat some ramen noodles and mcd's, in the past 5 days ive gotten in maybe 3 meals a day. ive lost 9 lbs almost. its all food buddy. i took winstrol for a long ass time when i thought it was magic. it did nothing on a 3500 cal diet. 5000cals is what you need to be eating. you just arent eating enough, saying that you need a steroid that will do what protein and training wont' makes no sense. do you think that some pills are going to just change your frame. it takes long work. you can take all the gear you want but if you don't eat it is a complete waste. i would log a diet of 5000cals and 300g of protein. you will grow like a weed and you seem to be an ecto like me so you should stay shredded eating whatever you want. everyone says they eat a lot i used to. 4 meals is not a lot ok. 6-7 meals to the point you want to vomit is eating almost enough bro. diet diet diet. wish i hadn't wasted so many dumb cycles like you are about to. if i were you i'd run eq if you must, its a long ester one stick a week. it will give you a huge appetite boost, just start piling in the food and you will grow. but i think you should workout natty first and gain with food. if your arms are 13.5 doesn't sound like you are doing everything right. i mean shit i'm 180-185 and 6 3, but my arms are a good 16 inches flexed brotha. talk about small frame i have a fucking 27 inch waist. it is annoying man but trust me once you figure out the bliss of not having to watch what you eat you won't be so frustrated. i would like to see a pic of you now and a pic in 3 weeks after you go on the a solid bulking diet. then we can talk juice