First Time On Need Help

[JayT]

alright this is my first time on and i need some help with supplements and which ones to take

im about 210 lbs and i want to gain muscle but also lost fat at the same time

ppl are telling me to take protein with creatine and that will help me lose the bf while gaining muscle

can anyone help me out ???

Thanx

JayT

 

[riskybiz007]

the people who are telling you to take creatine to gain muscle and lose fat are very ignorant people and you should stay away from them.

1. Choose either gain muscle or lose fat. If you're iffy on the fat department start cutting up. When satisfied then you can start bulking, or try bulking by gaining as little fat as possible. You're better off doing one then the other, they are opposites. When you start gaining muscle you need excess of calories and will gain some fat along the way. When cutting you'll be deficient in calories and trying to save muscle.

Pick a specific goal first, and develop a good diet. This is the most important thing you should do.

 

[bodyfx]

I think that a better goal would be to add muscle while NOT ADDING additional bodyfat.For me I can accomplish this with a high protein,medium fat,low carb diet.As far as supps....creatine,glutamine,and a good MRP and/or protein powder would be a good start.Proper diet and trainig are the KEYS,however.

 

[Par Deus]

You CANNOT maximally add muscle without gaining fat. Overeating creates an anabolic hormonal milieu (i.e. test, t3, insulin, GH, etc. increase). Steroids take care of the test part of it, but not the rest.

What you can do, however, is to cycle between dieting and bulking every two weeks or so.

 

[the nature boy]

You CANNOT maximally add muscle without gaining fat. Overeating creates an anabolic hormonal milieu (i.e. test, t3, insulin, GH, etc. increase). Steroids take care of the test part of it, but not the rest.

What you can do, however, is to cycle between dieting and bulking every two weeks or so.

Holy shit, welome back par deus!

 

[maxellyz]

just keep a low fat, medium carb and high protein diet and stay around 4000 kcal/day and supplement it with some l-glutamin, creatin, protein powder after training and some anti catabolic supplement...

also add some extra cardio directly after your training session so if you have been lifting weights for 45 min then do cardio for about 20 - 30 min directly after that.....

or you can always start doing cardio or just get up and take a long walk in the morning before breakfast....

this will help you lose fat and build muscle, and remember intensity is the key to serious growth

Good Luck

 

[bodyfx]

Wow ParDues,I guess the 12 pounds of muscle that I put on this year while LOWERING my bodyfat by 2% was not a good example of adding muscle without adding fat.If you work tremendously hard,diet correctly,get proper rest,train correctly,and supplement properly(and no,I don't mean drugs),you can gain a considerable amount of pure lean mass without adding to your waistline.And,by the way,I have accomplished this as well with many of my PT clients.

 

[Par Deus]

I will just repeat "You CANNOT maximally add muscle without gaining fat." There are physiological reasons for this which I alluded to in my post.

This doesn't mean you can't do it at all.

Your results are quite impressive, assuming you were an advanced trainee at the start of this 1 year period.

However, I gained about 30lbs of muscle and lost 5% bodyfat in about 6 motnhs by concentrating on one thing at a time.

Of course, I had been on high dose prednisone right before the start of this time period, so it doesn't mean that much.

 

[bodyfx]

ParDeus...I just didn't want people to think that they can't gain any muscle unless they added some bodyfat.Yes,you can add even more muscle if you don't mind adding BF,however,I find that it just evens itself out when the extra fat needs to be dieted off.Hey,maybe you've had a different experience.I just don't like to add extra BF if not necessary.

 

[Par Deus]

>I just don't like to add extra BF if not necessary.

But, you can avoid that by just doing short (2-3 week) cycles of bulking and dieting.

 

[bodyfx]

Hey Par...I'm not going to argue with your methodology.We all have to find out what works best for ourselves.I have successfully brought myself from 130 lbs to my present 240(10% BF)by using an approach that I came to through much trial and error,experimentation,and research.Now I use variations of this approach with my many PT clients with wonderful results.I'm glad that you found what works for you.It just proves there is more than 1 way to "skin a cat."

 

[Par Deus]

You have gained that much muscle on a lo-carb diet?? Without bulking or cyclical carb overfeeding??

If so, that is remarkable, to say the least.

 

[Par Deus]

BTW, my ue of the term "diet" was not intended to mean submaintence calories, but rather just the general term for what one eats.

 

[bodyfx]

Yes Par,most of my muscular bodyweight has come in small,steady increments.I do however,raise calories on the weekends by 500-1000 to stimulate hormonal activity and stimulate my metabolism.M-F is only about 150 grams of carbs.I do not go through traditional "bulking" periods though.I monitor my BF% closely,as i refuse to go above 10%.

 

[Par Deus]

>I do however, raise calories on the weekends by 500-1000 to stimulate hormonal activity...


That is what I was looking for. My whole point was the relationship between caloric intake (or glucose metabolism to be more specific) and anabolic hormonal activity.

I have done similar things with success (2 days moderate dieting followed by one day of overfeeding, that sort of thing).

 

[bodyfx]

COOL...