First oral cycle

[harbinator]

I asked in an earlier thread about suggestions for a first cycle and most people said test e 500/w with a 4 week tbol kicker. Is there any oral only cycle such a t-bol for 4 or 6 weeks or tbol var dbol etc... that I could use for a first cycle?

I dont really have anyone that I can tell or have give me the shots, I want to have the first cycle oral only and then maybe Ill build up the courage to shoot myself for the next cycle. Also have plenty of liver saving supplements on hand, would Arimadex or Nolva be best for PCT?

TIA

 

[Z E E K]

It's easy to inject yourself bro....quad or glut...easy money

 

[americany13]

OK
Three options,

First.......50mg VAR + 25mg Dbol for 10wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Second.....50mg VAR + 50 Tbol for 10 wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Third......80-100mg VAR ONLY 10 wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Always combine VAR for the strength gains and keepable muscle.
Goodluck, I know what you mean when you say no one to shoot you, and can't do it yourself or live with parents. I was in your shoes bro, goodluck

PCT will be needed, as important as Sleep, rest, protien, clean food and intense workout.

 

[harbinator]

OK
Three options,

First.......50mg VAR + 25mg Dbol for 10wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Second.....50mg VAR + 50 Tbol for 10 wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Third......80-100mg VAR ONLY 10 wks, Milk thisle and tyler liver detox in hand.
Always combine VAR for the strength gains and keepable muscle.
Goodluck, I know what you mean when you say no one to shoot you, and can't do it yourself or live with parents. I was in your shoes bro, goodluck

PCT will be needed, as important as Sleep, rest, protien, clean food and intense workout.

Thanks for the reply, K to you, what about PCT Im looking at ag-guys.com Liquidex and Liquinovla, which would be best and what doses? Also kinda messed up just noticed I can only get t-bol, winny, anavar, anadrol or dbol. Or are anavar and var the same thing?

About to finally turn to the darkside thanks for everyones advice.

 

[Bozwell]

i ran dbol @20mg ed for 5 weeks and kept 12 lbs (my second cycle)
I would do one of these
1- tbol 50-60mg ed for 6weeks
2- var 40-70mg ed for 6-8 weeks
or-dbol 30mg ed with proviron @25mg ed and aromasin@25mg ed to keep you hard for 6 weeks
pct for all
nolva 40mg ed for 1 week then 20mg ed for anouther 2
milk thintle and plenty of water also

 

[bilter]

var = anavar.
I would go with var @ 40-60 pd for 8 weeks. PCT I think bozwell hit it perfect. I find americany's rec of a var / tbol mix interesting. I'ver never done a double oral only cycle but it could be interesting.

good luck

 

[americany13]

VAR= ANAVAR Goodluck
Damn bilter beat me to it.

Keep us updated.

To be totally honest with you I never used them (AG guys) so I wouldn't want to give you a review, I dont know their products either, but from what I have heard they are the best, Bump for Doses on AG PCT!
I used Nolva and clomid.

Give me an update, I dont care how, even if you have to email me. I want to know how it works out for you. Peace

 

[digimon7068]

40mg of dbol per day, in divided doses, for 6 to 8 weeks, followed by 3 weeks of clomid (100mg ed, 50mg ed, 25mg ed), should deliver nice results. Especially if it's your first go-round. Remember the KISS principle. . .Keep It Simple Stupid. . .dbol, protien (at least 1gm per pound of body weight, per day), lots of water, heavy/intense training and if you start to look a little puffy (you shouldn't on 40mg per day), increase your cardio (throw in 20 minutes in the morning on an empty stomach).

Enjoy.

 

[harbinator]

K, got it all planned out, last Q, should I take var or dbol on offdays during the cycle also?

 

[digimon7068]

K, got it all planned out, last Q, should I take var or dbol on offdays during the cycle also?

Everyday for 6 to 8 weeks. Orals have short half lives (see the PCT board) and should be taken in divided doses, throughout the day, each day of your cycle. With orals, PCT generally begins 8 HOURS after your last dose.

 

[americany13]

Yes you should

 

[1392477]

For your first cycle start with something mild and then in subsequent cycles you can hit the more potent stuff. Remember the more powerful the drug = the more possible the sides.

Anavar (var) is a great one to start with. I would suggest 30mg daily taken in 3 x 10mg dosages. For a first timer you should see results on this dosage - remember your body is being introduced to new substances so you should respond to smaller dosages. You can titrate the dosages up on later cycles or you can even pyramid for each cycle.

Week 1 - 20mg daily
Week 2 - 30mg daily
Week 3 - 40mg daily
Week 4 - 50mg daily
Week 5 - 50mg daily
Week 6 - 40mg daily

If you really want to push it then Turinabol (T-Bol) would be a good stack with the var. Again start with smaller dosages and then work your way up. Most users report that after 3 - 4 weeks they lose the effects of the T-Bol so if stacking I would use the T-Bol for weeks 2, 3, 4, 5 at 30mg daily.

Clomid for 2 weeks should be sufficient PCT as var does not aromatize at all and T-Bol only a slight chance. Water retention should be minimal and provided you are eating clean and plenty you should yield a decent gain in the 10 - 15 pound range of lean muscle.

As with all orals make sure you drink plenty of water and supplement with Tylers Liver Factors or Milk Thistle, Omega 3 for the lipid profile and cranberry juice to keep your kidney clean.

Good luck

 

[harbinator]

For your first cycle start with something mild and then in subsequent cycles you can hit the more potent stuff. Remember the more powerful the drug = the more possible the sides.

Anavar (var) is a great one to start with. I would suggest 30mg daily taken in 3 x 10mg dosages. For a first timer you should see results on this dosage - remember your body is being introduced to new substances so you should respond to smaller dosages. You can titrate the dosages up on later cycles or you can even pyramid for each cycle.

Week 1 - 20mg daily
Week 2 - 30mg daily
Week 3 - 40mg daily
Week 4 - 50mg daily
Week 5 - 50mg daily
Week 6 - 40mg daily

If you really want to push it then Turinabol (T-Bol) would be a good stack with the var. Again start with smaller dosages and then work your way up. Most users report that after 3 - 4 weeks they lose the effects of the T-Bol so if stacking I would use the T-Bol for weeks 2, 3, 4, 5 at 30mg daily.

Clomid for 2 weeks should be sufficient PCT as var does not aromatize at all and T-Bol only a slight chance. Water retention should be minimal and provided you are eating clean and plenty you should yield a decent gain in the 10 - 15 pound range of lean muscle.

As with all orals make sure you drink plenty of water and supplement with Tylers Liver Factors or Milk Thistle, Omega 3 for the lipid profile and cranberry juice to keep your kidney clean.

Good luck

Thanks, great info, so Clomid is the PCT of choice over Novla and Arimadex(sp?)? I think Ill just start with the Var and see how I respond and learn so I can better understand how to create my own cycles later. Also, a friend of mine purchased about $2k worth of PHs right before the ban a few years ago and some of it is called "Aromabolan PCT"

http://www.a1nutritionproducts.com/buy/hardcore_muscle_gear/aromabolan_pct

Any ideas on if this stuff is any good I can get it from him SUPER cheap.

 

[gettinripped]

bump for results harbinator

 

[harbinator]

Well I broke the info to my dad and he even agreed to do the injects for me, on 4th week now of dbol and test e 500/wk. The dbol is kickass already up 10lb and about to start week 5.

Feels so good to be able to eat like a man again, after cutting for 7 months it got a bit old, Im hoping with eating 4000 cal a day like this it will kick my metabolism back so I can shred the fat off afterwards instead of hitting plateaus.

 

[JohnRambo]

Youre dad is cool!

 

[alcatraz1662]

Cool fuckin dad!

 

[danymal04]

haha, cool as dad in fact son, how'd that cycle turn out and whats up w/ your cycles now harbinator?

 

[bca21]

you do no this is over a year old thread right?

 

[d_o_c_]

Dude, pass ont ose cycles. Do this >

Weeks 1-5 60-80mg Tbol
Weeks 4-7 40mg Nolva

Depending on your diet and Workout plan you should gain

5-10lbs lean mass
Huge strength gains if you lift for poundage

I work out every bodypart 2 times a week and the first time I ever ran Tbol my bench went up about 70lbs in one month.