First injectable cycle?

[Mitchvee]

Going to try and make this concise as possible.
Age: 23
Years of training: 3
Weight: 173-5lbs At age 20 I was 125 lbs Recovering eating disorder patient. Training became my new obsession
Height 5"10
Bf% calipers: 8%

Current non cycle diet: 3000-3100 40/40/20
Previous cycle: Dieselbolan v2 4 weeks rendered me 6-7lbs of lbm. I feel I didn't push to my limits during that time so don't take my gains as a benchmark, they are usually much higher.

Was thinking:
1-12 Test E 400-500 EW
1-4/6 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Arimidex 0.5 EOD
HCGenerate last 6 weeks.

PCT:
1-3 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/Postcycle etc.

What I wanted to know was is this the best cycle in terms of Mass I could go for, are there any oral steroid/prohormone alternatives. Any views and experiences welcome.

 

[dylangemelli]

Going to try and make this concise as possible.
Age: 23
Years of training: 3
Weight: 173-5lbs At age 20 I was 125 lbs Recovering eating disorder patient. Training became my new obsession
Bf% calipers: 8%

Current non cycle diet: 3000-3100 40/40/20
Previous cycle: Dieselbolan v2 4 weeks rendered me 6-7lbs of lbm. I feel I didn't push to my limits during that time so don't take my gains as a benchmark, they are usually much higher.

Was thinking:
1-12 Test E 400-500 EW
1-4/6 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Arimidex 0.5 EOD
HCGenerate last 6 weeks.

PCT:
1-3 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/Postcycle etc.

What I wanted to know was is this the best cycle in terms of Mass I could go for, are there any oral steroid/prohormone alternatives. Any views and experiences welcome.

how much size are you wanting to put on? you realize that dbol is going to definitely hold on to extra water right? do you care about your body fat? how tall are you?

also you pct needs to be 4 weeks, not 3

 

[Mitchvee]

Knew there was something I missed I'm 5 10.
I would prefer not to gain great amounts of bodyfat, but if that's a sacrifice to get my lbm up I would be prepared to take it.
A solid 15lbs kept after PCT would be great results to me.

 

[dylangemelli]

i am just concerned that if you had an eating disorder and you pack on crazy amounts of weight fast, especially with something that may hold a lot of water, it could effect you mentally... that's why im thinking a tbol kicker would be better or even helladrol as opposed to dbol... then maybe running anavar on the back end...

 

[Mitchvee]

I appreciate the concern dude but I am mostly over those compulsions, the compulsions I have no are that I have to be pretty dead on my macros aha, which isn't a bad thing really. I've been to 14% bf while training and had no major issues other than feeling a bit self conscious. You can disregard most of that from your recommendations. I appreciate any advice you have Dylan as I'm sure most do on this forum. Hope that clears it up. Was more to say why I am only 175lbs after 3 years of training.

 

[dylangemelli]

I appreciate the concern dude but I am mostly over those compulsions, the compulsions I have no are that I have to be pretty dead on my macros aha, which isn't a bad thing really. I've been to 14% bf while training and had no major issues other than feeling a bit self conscious. You can disregard most of that from your recommendations. I appreciate any advice you have Dylan as I'm sure most do on this forum. Hope that clears it up. Was more to say why I am only 175lbs after 3 years of training.

okay well then i think dbol or beastdrol would be fine as a kickstart... you had listed an ai so thats good... i would run n2guard alongside any orals that you run and if you want, anavar and proviron are always great to run on the back end, otherwise you had everything covered well...

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle
forma stanzol

 

[joeblow12345]

If your running your first injectable cycle Id consider test only to see how you react to it. My first cycle I ran test only and gained alittle more than 20lbs, and kept a solid 12 or so. Some of the gains will be water, so dont freak out when you drop 5 lbs when pct starts. You will have a big drop initially then as you go through pct, your weight and strength will slowly come back and level out.

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[Mitchvee]

Any preference of Dbol or Beast? And I presume Var on the end will lean me up a bit but won't compromise gains? Cheers for the input. This is looking to be tasty.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Going to try and make this concise as possible.
Age: 23
Years of training: 3
Weight: 173-5lbs At age 20 I was 125 lbs Recovering eating disorder patient. Training became my new obsession
Height 5"10
Bf% calipers: 8%

Current non cycle diet: 3000-3100 40/40/20
Previous cycle: Dieselbolan v2 4 weeks rendered me 6-7lbs of lbm. I feel I didn't push to my limits during that time so don't take my gains as a benchmark, they are usually much higher.

Was thinking:
1-12 Test E 400-500 EW
1-4/6 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Arimidex 0.5 EOD
HCGenerate last 6 weeks.

PCT:
1-3 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/Postcycle etc.

What I wanted to know was is this the best cycle in terms of Mass I could go for, are there any oral steroid/prohormone alternatives. Any views and experiences welcome.

Id
1-12 test e at 500
1-4 not 6. Dbol at 30-50 ed
1-4 adex at .50
4-12 adex at .25 even 12.5
4-12 250 iux2 e4d
1-12 9000mg of krill
1-12 n2gaurd
1-12 500mg magnessium
1-12 500mg of vit c
1-12 multi vit

4-6 grams of bcaas and glutamine b4 bed
3 grams of arginine b4 bed

READY SET GO

Run pct min 5 weeks imo 4 is sufficent for sure.

Id
12-16 Pct
12-17 Unleashed
17-22 forma
19-22 daa
22-26 bridge
Id also run lean xtreme or 1500 of vit c for cortisol control

7 more weeks bloods done see if ready for anther. To avoid cost u could take out forma and run Adex again at 12.5 eod 6-8. I just use forma bc u bn using adex on cyc body starts to adjust it wont in that short time period but I just like to switch thats all.

U could throw in hcgenerate too.

Do I need this much pct? No, what u hv is fine. Just listen to Dylan.

 

[thelion2005]

Going to try and make this concise as possible.
Age: 23
Years of training: 3
Weight: 173-5lbs At age 20 I was 125 lbs Recovering eating disorder patient. Training became my new obsession
Height 5"10
Bf% calipers: 8%

Current non cycle diet: 3000-3100 40/40/20
Previous cycle: Dieselbolan v2 4 weeks rendered me 6-7lbs of lbm. I feel I didn't push to my limits during that time so don't take my gains as a benchmark, they are usually much higher.

Was thinking:
1-12 Test E 400-500 EW
1-4/6 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Arimidex 0.5 EOD
HCGenerate last 6 weeks.

PCT:
1-3 Clomid 25/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/Postcycle etc.

What I wanted to know was is this the best cycle in terms of Mass I could go for, are there any oral steroid/prohormone alternatives. Any views and experiences welcome.

I like test p and inject every 3rd day.150 mg.
Dbol is great, but runs up my blood pressure. I do anavar.
You could also add deca or npp. 50 mg to the 150.

 

[Mitchvee]

Id
1-12 test e at 500
1-4 not 6. Dbol at 30-50 ed
1-4 adex at .50
4-12 adex at .25 even 12.5
4-12 250 iux2 e4d
1-12 9000mg of krill
1-12 n2gaurd
1-12 500mg magnessium
1-12 500mg of vit c
1-12 multi vit

4-6 grams of bcaas and glutamine b4 bed
3 grams of arginine b4 bed

READY SET GO

Run pct min 5 weeks imo 4 is sufficent for sure.

Id
12-16 Pct
12-17 Unleashed
17-22 forma
19-22 daa
22-26 bridge
Id also run lean xtreme or 1500 of vit c for cortisol control

7 more weeks bloods done see if ready for anther. To avoid cost u could take out forma and run Adex again at 12.5 eod 6-8. I just use forma bc u bn using adex on cyc body starts to adjust it wont in that short time period but I just like to switch thats all.

U could throw in hcgenerate too.

Do I need this much pct? No, what u hv is fine. Just listen to Dylan.

This looks very good bro. I take the vits etc but never thought about Krill what does it do exactly. I will follow this or there abouts, cheers.

 

[rustilldown]

I like test p and inject every 3rd day.150 mg.
Dbol is great, but runs up my blood pressure. I do anavar.
You could also add deca or npp. 50 mg to the 150.

Poor advice to have a first
Cycle experience with deca or npp. How will he ever know what is
Giving him issues or sides?


Ride it like you stole it!!

 

[dylangemelli]

Any preference of Dbol or Beast? And I presume Var on the end will lean me up a bit but won't compromise gains? Cheers for the input. This is looking to be tasty.

dbol is going to be more of a wet gain but its going to make you feel really good and really strong... you won't keep as much of the gains though because it will be water... you will keep some but not as much as you will with beast... beast will be more dry and big gains but the sides can be bad on it...

anavar on the back end will give you excellent strength and will lean up your gains and give you great vascularity...

 

[Mitchvee]

dbol is going to be more of a wet gain but its going to make you feel really good and really strong... you won't keep as much of the gains though because it will be water... you will keep some but not as much as you will with beast... beast will be more dry and big gains but the sides can be bad on it...

anavar on the back end will give you excellent strength and will lean up your gains and give you great vascularity...

Thanks bro, any decent skin care supps for while on, I am quite prone to acne.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

This looks very good bro. I take the vits etc but never thought about Krill what does it do exactly. I will follow this or there abouts, cheers.

Its slowly gonna take place of fish oil.

Krill is a shrimp looking fish its fatty acids suppose to be way better than fish oil w/o the burp!

What is Krill Oil

Krill are shrimp-like crustaceans that are approximately 1 to 6 centimeters long. They live is the ocean, where they feed mainly on phytoplankton. They're near the bottom of the food chain and are eaten by whales, seals, penguins, squid and fish.

Commercial fishing of krill occurs primarily in the Southern Ocean and the northern Pacific Ocean along the coasts of Canada and Japan. Krill that are caught are used for aquaculture and aquarium feeds, sport fishing bait or they are eaten as food. In Japan, krill that's caught for food is called okiami.

Krill oil, the oil that's found naturally in krill, is extracted and sold as a nutritional supplement. It's sold in some health food stores and online in capsule form.

Krill oil contains omega-3 fatty acids, which is the main reason it's becoming popular as a nutritional supplement.

Another reason krill oil is becoming popular is because it contains an antioxidant called astaxanthin. The algae that krill eat produces the bright red pigment astaxanthin that gives krill and other crustaceans such as lobster and shrimp their reddish-pink color.

Antioxidants protect our body cells from damage from free radicals, unstable substances that are thought to contribute to certain chronic diseases. Unlike many other antioxidants, astaxanthin crosses the blood-brain barrier, where it could theoretically protect the eye, brain and central nervous system from free radical damage.

Why Do People Use Krill Oil

People use krill oil for the same reasons they use fish oil, flax oil or other omega-3 fatty acids. Unlike fish oil, krill oil doesn't cause fishy burps or an aftertaste, a common side effect of fish oil. Also, krill oil contains higher amounts of astaxanthin than fish oil. Here are some specific conditions for which it's used.

1) High Cholesterol

Krill oil is being studied as a natural remedy for high cholesterol. In one study, 120 people were given krill oil, fish oil or a placebo. Krill oil reduced LDL (commonly referred to as "bad") cholesterol by 34% and increased HDL ("good") cholesterol by 43.5% compared to the placebo. In comparison, fish oil reduced LDL cholesterol by 4.6% and increased HDL cholesterol by 4.2%. Krill also lowered triglycerides.

2) Premenstrual syndrome

Preliminary research suggests krill oil may help reduce symptoms of premenstrual syndrome (PMS), however, more research is needed.

Arthritis

A study in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition examined krill oil (300 mg daily) compared to a placebo and found that krill oil was effective at reducing arthritis symptoms and inflammation.

Side Effects

People with allergies to seafood shouldn't use krill oil. People with bleeding disorders shouldn't use krill oil unless under the supervision of a qualified health professional.

Side effects of krill oil may include loose stools, diarrhea or indigestion.

Possible Drug Interactions

People taking blood thinners (anticoagulant or anti-platelet medication), such as aspirin, warfarin (Coumadin), heparin, clopidogrel (Plavix), non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDS) such as ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil), naproxen (Naprosyn, Aleve) should only use krill oil under a physician's supervision.

Krill oil should also be used with caution by people taking herbs and supplements that are thought to increase the risk of bleeding, such as ginkgo biloba and garlic.

Sources

Bunea R, El Farrah K, Deutsch L.Evaluation of the effects of Neptune Krill Oil on the clinical course of hyperlipidemia. Altern Med Rev. (2004) 9.4: 420-428.

Deutsch L. Evaluation of the effect of Neptune Krill Oil on chronic inflammation and arthritic symptoms. J Am Coll Nutr. (2007) 26.1: 39-48.