First day of cycle

[danoman27]

Come on bro. That was written by a ntbm rep. Lol I've never tried their products, but it seems a little sketchy that he's a rep for them, and he just happens to say all their products are perfect for a full pct. And he puts down a proven serm such as clomid to do it? Clomid has been used for decades for pct.

Have you ever tried any of the NTBM products?

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[eddymerckx]

Okay. My fault bro. I thought it was just another douche trying to make money to be honest. I understand he knows what he is talking about. I guess I just can't get over all the guys who tell you to throw this and that into your body for pct, then you scroll down and there's a link for it in their sig. Which most of the time means they make commission. Ive done a shit ton of research, plus some more research, but nothing speaks like experience. So if this guy knows what he is talking about, then I have no right to question it as a rookie to gear. And as far as your question, hell no I've never taken clomid, I'm only two weeks into my first ever cycle! Lmao

bro--clomid makes you lethargic, depressed, moody, foggy brain---argghh I hate that shit. My wife and I had to work with a reproductive endo and her opinion was that clomid served its purposes--but she will never put men on it unless everything else has failed (including acupuncture --i kid you not). I did not need the endo's help b/c my pcts (maybe 6-8 cycles) were HCG and an AI + some natty supps. The Clomid and Nolva PCT just sucked and made me a bitch.

Check out Nelson's profile--he is one bro is tells it like it is--not always what people want to hear but at least it truth from 25 years of being in the game--check out his profile Nelson Montana's EliteFitness Profile

As far as NTMB--I have then in my sig (and I do not take a dime or product from anyone) I just love his stuff. He started with a cookbook that killed and went from there. The benefit of his stuff is that any problem he is a phone call/email away. I have tried a lot of his stuff and likes most--and few were the best ever. I have known him for 5 years and he is about the most dedicated person in the industry (filled with money-grubbers). Read the ingredients on his stuff--real food/good balance.

 

[zsimpson22]

Have you ever tried any of the NTBM products?

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Naw bro. That's what the post you quoted said lol. I've never tried their products. So I didn't question the products. You should never judge anything before trying it. Which I do plan on doing in the near future.

 

[zsimpson22]

bro--clomid makes you lethargic, depressed, moody, foggy brain---argghh I hate that shit. My wife and I had to work with a reproductive endo and her opinion was that clomid served its purposes--but she will never put men on it unless everything else has failed (including acupuncture --i kid you not). I did not need the endo's help b/c my pcts (maybe 6-8 cycles) were HCG and an AI + some natty supps. The Clomid and Nolva PCT just sucked and made me a bitch.

Check out Nelson's profile--he is one bro is tells it like it is--not always what people want to hear but at least it truth from 25 years of being in the game--check out his profile Nelson Montana's EliteFitness Profile

As far as NTMB--I have then in my sig (and I do not take a dime or product from anyone) I just love his stuff. He started with a cookbook that killed and went from there. The benefit of his stuff is that any problem he is a phone call/email away. I have tried a lot of his stuff and likes most--and few were the best ever. I have known him for 5 years and he is about the most dedicated person in the industry (filled with money-grubbers). Read the ingredients on his stuff--real food/good balance.

Damn it man y'all are sketching me out lol I've ordered clomid already and I'm also very prone to depression already. I used to be depressed all the time and I wouldn't even know why. Anyway, I've never heard of hcg being used in pct? Always during cycle. so I have some aromasin, and have hcg on the way as we speak. If I took the AI and hcg for pct what else would I need? If you want me to be honest, I'm just trying not to feel like shit after I come off my test. I still want to be able to train like an animal and eat like one also to help keep my gains. So what else could I add in there? Thought I had all this Pct figured out but now I'm starting to second guess lol

 

[gymjunkie09]

Damn it man y'all are sketching me out lol I've ordered clomid already and I'm also very prone to depression already. I used to be depressed all the time and I wouldn't even know why. Anyway, I've never heard of hcg being used in pct? Always during cycle. so I have some aromasin, and have hcg on the way as we speak. If I took the AI and hcg for pct what else would I need? If you want me to be honest, I'm just trying not to feel like shit after I come off my test. I still want to be able to train like an animal and eat like one also to help keep my gains. So what else could I add in there? Thought I had all this Pct figured out but now I'm starting to second guess lol

you can use the hcg during your cycle and for pct use....

post cycle/unleashed combo
forma 5pumps am 5 pumps pm
and throw some daa in there too

needtobuildmuscle.com for the post cycle/unleashed and daa
mrsupps.com for the forma

 

[eddymerckx]

Damn it man y'all are sketching me out lol I've ordered clomid already and I'm also very prone to depression already. I used to be depressed all the time and I wouldn't even know why. Anyway, I've never heard of hcg being used in pct? Always during cycle. so I have some aromasin, and have hcg on the way as we speak. If I took the AI and hcg for pct what else would I need? If you want me to be honest, I'm just trying not to feel like shit after I come off my test. I still want to be able to train like an animal and eat like one also to help keep my gains. So what else could I add in there? Thought I had all this Pct figured out but now I'm starting to second guess lol

I am very concerned given what you have shared that if you mess up PCT there could be very real and not good repercussions. Clomid could really exacerbate your predispositions--and that could be dangerous.

Its okay to second guess--its the way we learn--trust me--I have done more stupid things that I will own up to. Send a PM to Nelson --he will tell you the way it is (a little gruff but that is his way as he has been fighting to get these new compounds to be accepted by mainstream pharm---but as usual they could care less as the $$ volume is not enough)

Don't worry, you have time to plan but HCG is a 100% must (and my wife is preg with my second--the first was conceived while on 750 sust and 500 equipoise --so I know HCG on cycle works--as it does for recovery (hence kid 2 on the way)

 

[training700]

I think will like the combination approach for pct will keep you feeling reasonably good

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[zsimpson22]

I am very concerned given what you have shared that if you mess up PCT there could be very real and not good repercussions. Clomid could really exacerbate your predispositions--and that could be dangerous.

Its okay to second guess--its the way we learn--trust me--I have done more stupid things that I will own up to. Send a PM to Nelson --he will tell you the way it is (a little gruff but that is his way as he has been fighting to get these new compounds to be accepted by mainstream pharm---but as usual they could care less as the $$ volume is not enough)

Don't worry, you have time to plan but HCG is a 100% must (and my wife is preg with my second--the first was conceived while on 750 sust and 500 equipoise --so I know HCG on cycle works--as it does for recovery (hence kid 2 on the way)

Alright thanks for the replies guys. I'm just going to start my own thread about this so I can stop hi-jacking this one lol and congrats on number two being on the way bro!!

 

[supadan]

Yesterday marks the first day of my first cycle. Pretty excited right now!!! I was nervous as shit about sticking a needle into myself but it was nothin! ! I hate needles so I was surprised I did it myself but its a cake walk!!

Will post progress updates as I go

Test Cyp 500mg week 1-12
Dbol 30mg ED Weeks 1-4 (maybe bump it up to 40mg on wk 4)

PCT:
HCG 500iu's twice a week 12-14
Nolva 50mg ED weeks 14-17


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Nice one bro but why the dbol you will grow like nothing first time with 500mg test dbol just encourages more sides!