First Cycle

[beeplow]

Morning,

Plan to run a cycle a month from now and require a critique.

Stats -
Age: 23
Weight: 81.5kg or 180lb @ 14% BF (currently cutting)
Height: 5'10"
Year training: 2
Diet will consist of 3500-3700 calories

I plan to run a cycle of Sus 350 for 10-12 weeks @ 400-500mg. Leaning towards 500mg twice a week (Mon/Thurs) for 10 weeks.

Week 1-10 Sus 500mg TAW (Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-10 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
[PCT will start ~18-21 days after last injection]
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 14-16 Clomid 50mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED


Feedback appreciated.
Thanks

 

[joeblow12345]

Pct is way off. No nolva ever.
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/ unleashed combo
Forma
Daa
Use hcgenerate on cycle and hcg from last week of cycle through first week of pct.

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[oxymoron]

Don't take this the wrong way beep but this is from some other board and ur running it by us?

Reason I ask is its about a decade behind the current standards.


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[Jimmyinkedup]

Morning,

Plan to run a cycle a month from now and require a critique.

Stats -
Age: 23
Weight: 81.5kg or 180lb @ 14% BF (currently cutting)
Height: 5'10"
Year training: 2
Diet will consist of 3500-3700 calories

I plan to run a cycle of Sus 350 for 10-12 weeks @ 400-500mg. Leaning towards 500mg twice a week (Mon/Thurs) for 10 weeks.

Week 1-10 Sus 500mg TAW (Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-10 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
[PCT will start ~18-21 days after last injection]
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 14-16 Clomid 50mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED


Feedback appreciated.
Thanks

It looks good except id increase the length to 12-14 weeks.
Id also take the exemestane (aromasin) at 12.5 eod ...bump up to ed if needed.
Everything else is on point imo.

 

[dylangemelli]

Morning,

Plan to run a cycle a month from now and require a critique.

Stats -
Age: 23
Weight: 81.5kg or 180lb @ 14% BF (currently cutting)
Height: 5'10"
Year training: 2
Diet will consist of 3500-3700 calories

I plan to run a cycle of Sus 350 for 10-12 weeks @ 400-500mg. Leaning towards 500mg twice a week (Mon/Thurs) for 10 weeks.

Week 1-10 Sus 500mg TAW (Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-10 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
[PCT will start ~18-21 days after last injection]
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 14-16 Clomid 50mg ED, Nolvadex 20mg ED


Feedback appreciated.
Thanks

i would run sus 12 weeks as opposed to ten... you also may want to use hcg or hcgenerate... your pct is completely horrible...

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol
daa powerchews

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Huh I think his pct is right on point. Id hit up Chemical Need and get the clomid and Nolvadex and be done with it. To each his own.
OP the following is from Dr Michael Scally - probably the worlds formost expert on treating steroid induced andropause (aka "shutdown"):
""Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor binding sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondarily gonadal sex hormones. "


However you approach your pct best of luck to you on your first cycle!

 

[joeblow12345]

Huh I think his pct is right on point. Id hit up Chemical Need and get the clomid and Nolvadex and be done with it. To each his own.
OP the following is from Dr Michael Scally - probably the worlds formost expert on treating steroid induced andropause (aka "shutdown"):
""Clomiphene is an antiestrogen, which decreases the estrogen effect in the body. It has a dual effect by stimulating the hypothalamic pituitary area and it has an antiestrogenic effect, so that it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body. Tamoxifen is more of a strict antiestrogen, it decreases the effect of estrogen in the body, and potentiates the action of clomiphene. Tamoxifen and clomiphene citrate compete with estrogen for estrogen receptor binding sites, thus eliminating excess estrogen circulation at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary, allowing gonadotropin production to resume. Administering them together produces an elevation of LH and secondarily gonadal sex hormones. "


However you approach your pct best of luck to you on your first cycle!

If this was 10-20 years ago then Id agree with you. However, the times have changed and so has pct protocol. The old school high dose of clomid and nolva is riddled with side effects, and while there is a temporary increase in test levels its always followed by a crash. I have a 29 year old friend whom recently ran a test and deca cycle. I warned him not to use nolva at all and he did against my warning. Now 2 months after pct his test levels are in the low 200's and his doc wants him on hrt. Not to mention all his gains are gone, but now he also gets to feel like shit until his body recovers on its own, which may never happen. If you want to have a sucessful pct forget about nolva. A low dose clomid(25 mg day), the post cycle/ unleashed combo from ntbm to raise natural test, some forma or adex to clear out excess estrogen, and hcgenerate on cycle to keep your nuts plump, and hcg at the end of cycle through first week of pct to make the transition to recovery smoother. I would rather see someone do no pct at all instead of the high dose clomid and nolva protocol. You will still lose all your gains, but atleast you wont have to risk dangerous side effect and youll recover faster.

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[Jimmyinkedup]

If this was 10-20 years ago then Id agree with you. However, the times have changed and so has pct protocol. The old school high dose of clomid and nolva is riddled with side effects, and while there is a temporary increase in test levels its always followed by a crash. I have a 29 year old friend whom recently ran a test and deca cycle. I warned him not to use nolva at all and he did against my warning. Now 2 months after pct his test levels are in the low 200's and his doc wants him on hrt. Not to mention all his gains are gone, but now he also gets to feel like shit until his body recovers on its own, which may never happen. If you want to have a sucessful pct forget about nolva. A low dose clomid(25 mg day), the post cycle/ unleashed combo from ntbm to raise natural test, some forma or adex to clear out excess estrogen, and hcgenerate on cycle to keep your nuts plump, and hcg at the end of cycle through first week of pct to make the transition to recovery smoother. I would rather see someone do no pct at all instead of the high dose clomid and nolva protocol. You will still lose all your gains, but atleast you wont have to risk dangerous side effect and youll recover faster.

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To each his own. I get virtually no sides from my pct ..i take my serms in pm before bed and experience no immediate sides nor do I have long term sides. Maybe Im a genetic freak but my off cycle test levels at 43 yrs old are in the high 600's using that pct protocol well post pct.
I like to listen to guys like Dr Scally.
Im not arguing - just stating my experience and position. Im glad you found a protocol that works for you too. Its always good to see what others are doing if for some reason what I am stops working for me.
Thanks for the info.

 

[jester72]

I'm sorry, but no one else thinks that running a GRAM of testosterone for a first cycle is insane???? beeplow, I suggest you do a LOT more research. Not only is the test dose crazy for a first cycle, your PCT is a good 20 years behind the times.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

I'm sorry, but no one else thinks that running a GRAM of testosterone for a first cycle is insane???? beeplow, I suggest you do a LOT more research. Not only is the test dose crazy for a first cycle, your PCT is a good 20 years behind the times.

I think you misread his post. (or maybe I did but i dont think so).
I think he meant 500mgs/week total then he said his inj schedule. Perhaps im mistaken?

 

[jester72]

I think you misread his post. (or maybe I did but i dont think so).
I think he meant 500mgs/week total then he said his inj schedule. Perhaps im mistaken?

That's not how his cycle says it.

Week 1-10 Sus 500mg TAW (Mon/Thurs)

To me, that reads that he's punning 500mg of Sustanon twice a week; Monday and Thursday.