First Cycle

[ceramacist99]

Hey fellas,
I am looking to try my first cycle of test/var. Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I posted a pic of a guy with a similar body type as myself. Judging by the pics what type of cycle would you say he did to achieve his lean mass and tight skin?

Stats:
5'9
155
25
lifting for 6 years.

Thanks

 

[ceramacist99]

Listen man, before you judge... I am a noob with gear, but not a noob in the gym. I have a solid routine and my diet is in check. I have finally realized that my goals are unachievable without gear and now I am looking to take the next step.

despite what you say this guy is only about 175-185 absolute max, yes i have seen him in the gym. in the first pic i posted he is probably close to 165. he is a couple inches taller than i am, as well.

i am trying to achieve exactly what he did with his body transformation. Pack on about 10-20 lbs max of lean body weight. Stay cut, improved vascularity, look good, and feel good.

I am thinking of running a test/anavar cycle. What are your thoughts?

btw, attached is an older pic from him where you can clearly see he is not a big fellow.

Thanks

 

[goal245]

that body is achievable naturally imo with a good diet and training. I had a better build at 19 yrs old 6' 195lbs without steroids.

At 155lbs you should think about steroids and get your diet and training in check, you can easily put on 10 pounds of muscle in a year without juice.

Post you diet and training here, so we can see how good it is.

 

[stevesmi]

post a pic of yourself.

your training routine, your diet. what is your PR on bench? and then we will go from there.

no point in posting a pic of someone else and saying you want to look like them. you aren't getting a haircut here. its totally different

also your first cycle should be test alone. so you leave room for later and keep your sides to a minimum. at 25 you might have good test already so you may not need steroids quite yet. have you done a blood test lately? I would say at your height you should be able to get up to 165-170 with a better diet and routine.

 

[markmark]

yea first post a pic of yourself and state your height and current weight. You may not need any gear at all.

 

[ceramacist99]

Here are the pics of myself.

PR bench? Take it that is my max? 235

Routine
Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Bi's & Tri's
Day 3: Shoulders & Legs
Day 4: Back
Day 5: OFF
Day 6: REPEAT
Day 7: OFF

I generally try to take Fridays & Sundays off.

Diet:

9am: 4-5 Eggs/Egg Beaters on a Wheat Eng Muffin
11am: 15g-20g Protein bar with cashews
1am: 2 chicken breast cutlets with brown/wild long grain rice
3pm: shake/protein bar 10-25g
4pm: GYM
5:30pm: PWO 50g Whey Shake
6:30: Salmon and spinach
9:30: 50g Protein Blend, with a snack (almonds, cashews, and craisins)
12; Bedtime


Haven't got a blood test recently, so don't know my test levels. I have a naturally fast metabolism. I take on Avg 3-5 dumps a day. Usually within 30min-1hr after i eat I am in the bathroom.

 

[lartinos]

That post is just asking to be made fun of, lol.
Stick around here and you will learn plenty.

 

[ceramacist99]

what don't you start the festivities??

 

[C.K.]

If you see the guy in the gym just ask him what he takes...

 

[stevesmi]

Here are the pics of myself.

PR bench? Take it that is my max? 235

Routine
Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Bi's & Tri's
Day 3: Shoulders & Legs
Day 4: Back
Day 5: OFF
Day 6: REPEAT
Day 7: OFF

I generally try to take Fridays & Sundays off.

Diet:

9am: 4-5 Eggs/Egg Beaters on a Wheat Eng Muffin
11am: 15g-20g Protein bar with cashews
1am: 2 chicken breast cutlets with brown/wild long grain rice
3pm: shake/protein bar 10-25g
4pm: GYM
5:30pm: PWO 50g Whey Shake
6:30: Salmon and spinach
9:30: 50g Protein Blend, with a snack (almonds, cashews, and craisins)
12; Bedtime


Haven't got a blood test recently, so don't know my test levels. I have a naturally fast metabolism. I take on Avg 3-5 dumps a day. Usually within 30min-1hr after i eat I am in the bathroom.

lookin good bro.

I would say do a test only cycle. 12 weeks.. lineup a solid PCT and you will be good.

save room for a 2nd cycle... you can add in an oral for your 2nd.

your first post may have rubbed people the wrong way because of the way it came off which wasn't intentional on your part... but don't take it personally, stick around and you will learn plenty like lart said.

you have a very tone and solid frame, yet are decently strong for your size. when i was 155 i was nailing 245 though before i decided to do my first cycle.. and I am a few ticks shorter then you so have a smaller frame to work with. so my best advice is to up your weight and sets and try to push yourself hard for the next couple months.. by then you should have your cycle and PCT lined up and be ready.

the sooner you do steroids, the sooner you open up a can of worms so keep that in mind.. i would definately make a personal decision on how commited you are to spending the kind of money necessary to run cycles and post cycles, as well as bridging in between.

good luck.

PS. re-evaluate your goals. certain steroids will put on mass, some will cut you up. I would definately read the boards and see what is best for you. when i did my first couple cycles my goal was mass and strength.. not really worried about cutting, so i chose sust and deca with dbol as a kick. your goals seem different so you might want to go for a more cutting cycle.

 

[ceramacist99]

Thanks for the info Steve.

Currently I have reached a point where I work harder than most and I am just not satisfied with the results I am getting. Typically, I gain about 5lbs/year consistently. Prior to this year I thought it was the amount of cardio i was doing that was preventing me from bulking up. I was playing competitive sports which included me doing 3-4 days with lots of cardio. Now, I have finally cut that out of the pic and haven't really put on a considerable amount.

I am debating about trying a natty test booster this upcoming month and runnin that for 8 weeks to see what type of results I get. Any thoughts? Should I go straight to the real thing?

 

[stevesmi]

never tried that.

if you go to needto's store who is one of our sponsors he has some excellent products. look into his unleashed, and gear (which contains amino acids in a capsule) it will give you an extra kick before a workout or sex.

as for if you should do it again its a personal decision. keep in mind roids are suppressive so lineup a good PCT so you don't have a hard landing and lose your gains after a cycle and dont lose your gf from a lack of libido

 

[eClenbuterol]

Judging rom the pics you can otain that look with a good dialed in diet

 

[ceramacist99]

never tried that.

if you go to needto's store who is one of our sponsors he has some excellent products. look into his unleashed, and gear (which contains amino acids in a capsule) it will give you an extra kick before a workout or sex.

as for if you should do it again its a personal decision. keep in mind roids are suppressive so lineup a good PCT so you don't have a hard landing and lose your gains after a cycle and dont lose your gf from a lack of libido

sounds good Steve. hypothetically speaking, if you were to design the perfect first cycle for myself what would it entail? which test, dosage, pct, etc?

thanks

 

[stevesmi]

sounds good Steve. hypothetically speaking, if you were to design the perfect first cycle for myself what would it entail? which test, dosage, pct, etc?

thanks

once you nail 250 on bench I think you will be ready to zoom to the next level for your size

I love sustanon. why? cause it works for me, you feel it quick, sides are manageable and you only have to inject twice a week. (although others will say EOD, it isn't necessary) go 500mg per week. for 12 weeks

then start taking hcgenerate week 8 and go through into PCT
during PCT take unleashed/post cycle as directed... small amount of clomid ED (although opinions differ if its necessary, I take a very small amount anyway).. formestan.. run those as directed then when your test rebounds go on some type of bridge until your next cycle.

also you need to get close to 2X your bw in protein. your diet looks good, but you will probably want to just eat more as your appetite will get strong. get some gear, its great amino acids

plenty of water.

and up your sets and weight when you lift.. read arnolds encyclopedia for a very good guide, it works and START NOW, dont wait till you are on cycle to up your workouts and waste 3 weeks being sore.

you should set a goal of gaining 20-25 pounds and benching 300. those are realistic and expected.

2nd cycle you can do sustanon again but this time the first 4 weeks run an oral like dbol or beastdrol along with liver support and you can also throw in deca for 10 weeks also if you are impatient. however deca and dbol will bloat you, that is the price to pay for getting stronger but like i said that is what I PERSONALLY am after as I enjoy getting on the bench next to a guy who weighs 100 pounds more then me and nailing 50 pounds more then his max as my warmup. if you are after being cut then you should keep researching cause that isn't my cup of tea right now and I wouldn't be the guy to ask.

and as a good rule only do 2 cycles per year.

in the meantime read these boards, they are excellent.

 

[OMEGA]

Well I am not going to laugh or berate you for what you wish to achieve.

For that Look Id say

250 mgs Sustanon a week
100 mgs of Deca
350 mgs of Primobolan

all 9 weeks

might want to use the training pamphlet here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/special-omega-pamphlet-703295.html


then last 3 week Add in Masteron Prop at 50 mgs a day and opt for cardio double days and full body routine ( thats to peak for photos)

 

[ceramacist99]

Thanks for all the detailed info Steve, Omega, and Bloke.

In regards to my patience, I have waited this long so I would rather do things gradually and the most effective way, with the least amount of sides to prevent me from looking bloated. At this point I would probably skip the orals, but appreciate the suggestion.

@ bloke - Guess we had a little misc-communication. I do get what your saying... I just had that guy's body type/image in my head and saw him recently after 6-mo-1yr. As you can tell in the last pic i posted of him, he is no where near as big & lean as the first few and transformed his body into something else. Anyhow, enough about him, as you said no 2 bodies are the same, which I agree. I was just posting a pic of what I would like to achieve and sculpt my body into.

What would be your cutting cycle if i do choose to do what you suggested running a 12 week cycle of test? And how long after the first cycle would i start the cutting cycle?

Thanks for your help.

 

[tonythe tiger]

I am 35 yrs old looking to start my first cycle. I started working out 1 month ago I take about 2500 cal a day (diet) and trib daily (4000mg), I have not got into a routine work out yet I weigh 165 lbs I don't smoke or drink. I have done some research and want to learn more before I cycle, my goal is to gain 15 to 20 lbs of muscle with out a lot of water, and I don't want deca-dick, gnyo, erectile dysfunction and want something to protect my liver. so far my thoughts are Nolvadex, Equipose, Anavar, Can anyone give me advice onto what amounts would be best for me and what else I need to take with them or after them? Like I said I am new to the gym and last time I worked out was in 1986

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for all the detailed info Steve, Omega, and Bloke.

In regards to my patience, I have waited this long so I would rather do things gradually and the most effective way, with the least amount of sides to prevent me from looking bloated. At this point I would probably skip the orals, but appreciate the suggestion.

@ bloke - Guess we had a little misc-communication. I do get what your saying... I just had that guy's body type/image in my head and saw him recently after 6-mo-1yr. As you can tell in the last pic i posted of him, he is no where near as big & lean as the first few and transformed his body into something else. Anyhow, enough about him, as you said no 2 bodies are the same, which I agree. I was just posting a pic of what I would like to achieve and sculpt my body into.

What would be your cutting cycle if i do choose to do what you suggested running a 12 week cycle of test? And how long after the first cycle would i start the cutting cycle?

Thanks for your help.

any test run alone along with a clean diet should bulk you with lean muscle. its the dbol and deca that bloated me personally, but like i said I was more concerned with strength.

its just a matter of picking which test. again that is your PERSONAL decision. based on how many times u want to poke yourself and other factors. but sustanon is my bread and butter for the reasons i stated before

keep reading the boards and make your own decision.

also look into needtoslin.. and i would avoid arimidex simply cause you dont want to dry up your joints. I am alerady feeling some knee problems after upping my leg workouts, this is why i take deca cause I have a small frame yet am doing monster weight. i dont want to have joint issues and deca will provide that extra 'cushion' to lube my joints

 

[Captain FT]

Looking at your current build and leanness, I think you would be happy running 12 weeks of Test Enanthate at 500mg/week and Beastdrol from Mr. Supps at 3mg/day for the first four weeks.

I'm finishing week 4 in my cycle and my 40mg/day of D-Bol is coming to an end. I can say between D-Bol and Beastdrol (did Beast 6 months ago), the Beastdrol was better as far a dry, lean gains.

You're First Cycle
1-4 30mg/day Beastdrol
1-12 500mg/wk Test E (250mg Monday and 250mg Thursday)
8-12 75-100mg/day Proviron

Proviron will keep you looking hard. Keep doing your routine and cardio. You don't want to jump into a complicated cycle and already start planning your second cycle before you even start your first. See how your body responds to something like this. I even made it more complicated by throwing in two orals. Most people will tell you Test E alone for 12 weeks.

Beastdrol is easy to buy from Mr. Supps https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Beastdrol_21.aspx and I personally think its more powerful than d-bol. The proviron I added for kicks because you were talking about doing a second cutting cycle. YOu can easily do just Beast and Test E and I think you would be very happy. If you are able to get Proviron and plan on doing later cycles, get it and keep it for later.

 

[ceramacist99]

Thanks for the info Captain and Bloke. This stuff gets more and more confusing as you go on. lol