first cycle

[mavssolaj]

what i wanted/am going to run was all over the place in my last post because i wasnt sure but here it is. This is my first cycle ever, helpful feedback please. Looking for some size, mostly strength and definition, i play basketball. What could i expect to gain from this cycle???
50mg Tren Ace EOD
50mg Test P EOD
50mg Winnie ED
all for 5 weeks

 

[georgie24]

its a good cycle

BUT

thats alot of injects to maintain, hopefully after 2-3 weeks you dont burn out ( injecting)


5 weeks?


first cycle?

for you i dont recomend this cocktail this time around

 

[38nStrong]

Test E 500mg/Week for a first cycle. Tren on a first go around! Nuts! Just my 2cc's....

 

[georgie24]

you play basketball so that means crazy calorie burning

unless your going to eat in caloric surplus from here on out?

your going to look good for 5 weeks then come off..then what?

think about it first

 

[tonyroma]

5 weeks is pretty short maing, I cant see to much results, maybe a little strenth but then it will most likely be lost

 

[mavssolaj]

what would you guys recommend to maintain, should i just get rid of the Tren and up the dose of Test

 

[tonyroma]

That cycle you proposed is terrible for an athlete and more important rediculous for a first cycle

Tren is going to fuck up your endurance alot. I wouldn't recommend it to any athlete, unless its your off season. I wrestle for college and during my season I take Test prop @ 100mg eod and Var @ 50 mg ed. One oral, one inj. very simple and very effective. I stay lean, do not gain any water weight, and increase my strength dramatically. PCT and your diet is what comes down to you losing your gains after your off.

For you I would recomend running lower doses of AAS for a longer period of time, there will be less sides and you will have a much greater chance of maintaining your muscle due to muscle memory.

Something like Test E @300mg every 4 days, and Anavar @40mgs ED, and run it for a good 10 weeks bro and you'll be impressed. You will only have to inject yourself every 4 days and pop 1 or 2 pills a day. I wouldn't recomment doing winstrol because it cramps you up like a bitch when you run.

 

[mavssolaj]

it is the off season, but i get your point, thanks for ur advice i think im going to go that way and keep it real simple. thanks

 

[dsh89]

Simple is always best for a first cycle bro. And yeah Tren killed my endurance. Makes cardio a bitch.

 

[mavssolaj]

so what should i run test prop, test e, and how much 500mg a week 2 injections?

 

[apbt14]

Test E is good because you can go for longer between injections. Test P you need to do EOD and will be a pain in the ass, no joke lol.

 

[ladycandy]

Something like Test E @300mg every 4 days, and Anavar @40mgs ED, and run it for a good 10 weeks bro and you'll be impressed. You will only have to inject yourself every 4 days and pop 1 or 2 pills a day. I wouldn't recomment doing winstrol because it cramps you up like a bitch when you run.

this sounds like a good cycle to me... question (and I am new to all this)... why don't you ever see HCG incorporated into any cycle that uses a test, to ensure that your own system does not stop producing while taking the supplemental test? would it only be additional natural test added to the cycle?

I know that it is used generally as a post to kickstart your own test back up, but why not use it during the cycle to keep your own system producing the whole time?

 

[tonyroma]

this sounds like a good cycle to me... question (and I am new to all this)... why don't you ever see HCG incorporated into any cycle that uses a test, to ensure that your own system does not stop producing while taking the supplemental test? would it only be additional natural test added to the cycle?

I know that it is used generally as a post to kickstart your own test back up, but why not use it during the cycle to keep your own system producing the whole time?

You can use HCG during your cycle if you want, but test shuts down your sperm productivity, not your libido

So unless your trying to create babies on your cycle, you'd be wasting HCG and throwing away $$$$.

 

[tonyroma]

so what should i run test prop, test e, and how much 500mg a week 2 injections?

Test E 300-400mg's E4D. Thats all, Test E a long acting ester and prop/suspention are short acting esters.

Trust me bro, being your first cycle you want to take Testosterone no matter what. By doing this you will understand how your body reacts to anabolics etc. Yes you can add a androgenic in like (var/win) but Tren is a whole nother level for a first time use. Tren, Test Susp, Halo, Dbol, Anadrol are the most known compounds for their side effects (anger, sweats, shortness of breath, acne, water weight). Test E alone is a very good cycle, and Anavar could be added to that for added strength and hardness.

 

[mavssolaj]

just ordered since the test E comes in 250mg/ml amps im goin for 250mg E4D or 500mg E8D basicaly for ten weeks, with winstrol 50mg ED for the last three weeks and one week after. arimidex .25mg everyday. does this sound good? do i need the arimidex?

 

[tonyroma]

Not everyone needs an AI (arimidex) but it helps to keep water retention down and lessen the chance of gyno. I always use .25mg of arimidex with everycycle regardless of what i'm taking. Use the test E every 4 days, the winstrol will be good for the end of your cycle. This sounds like a great first cycle bro, take before and after pictures of yourself......http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539727

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i really think everyone's first cycle should be test E or Cyp 500mg ew for 12 weeks...then hcg clomid with aifm run throughout...just my (and most of the boards) opinion

 

[alfuhmale]

Test E 500mg/Week for a first cycle. Tren on a first go around! Nuts! Just my 2cc's....

I agree......try 500mg/week of test e for 12 weeks and maybe 50mg dbol ed for weeks 1-4. dont forget your pct.

 

[mavssolaj]

thanks guys