FIRST cycle?

[tod83]

hi everyone im new to this site so hows it going, i will be starting my first cycle and i have been reading alot of info so i think im ready first off i have been training for 4 years now my stats are 23 years old 86kg with 7% body fat 6 foot my diet is abot 4000+ cals and for the last 5 months i have not been gaining alot of muscle and my personal trainer i had said i have proberly reach my genetic limit so here is my plan
Week 1-12 test enth 500mg
week 14-17 pct 20 mg nolva a week
i have bought the test and have about 70 mil is that enough to last 12 weeks at 500mg a week? or help would be great.

 

[mikefear]

You need to bump that PCT up.. Try 60mg ed for the first week, 40mg ed for weeks 2 and 3, and 20mg for week 4.

 

[tod83]

OK thanks but do yous think the rest of it is ok and what about my training i got told to go six day a week while on cycle for 1 hour and a half a day he said on monday do chest tuesday do back wednesday shoulders thursday bies fridays tries saturdays legs and fit abs in on different days is that ok or should i do one day on one day off

 

[jagerbombme]

i'd throw in hcg for that cycle....i mean damn, should make good gains with that, wouldn't want to lose them.

what is the mg/ml on your bottles? if it's 250mg/ml then you have 2500mg per bottle X 7 = 17500mg

your running 500 per week for 12 weeks which comes out to 6000mg, you have over double what you need bro. unless your stuff is weaker

 

[looking to lean]

OK thanks but do yous think the rest of it is ok and what about my training i got told to go six day a week while on cycle for 1 hour and a half a day he said on monday do chest tuesday do back wednesday shoulders thursday bies fridays tries saturdays legs and fit abs in on different days is that ok or should i do one day on one day off

personally I like

Monday: Shoulders
Tuesday: Arms and abs
Wednesday: Legs
Thursday: Back
Friday: Chest and abs

just a suggestion. gives lots of time for recovery.

 

[stuck]

If you're that lean on 4000 cals you need to eat more. While the AAS may help you put on more muscle, you'll lose it after cycle if you're not taking in more calories to maintain the added mass.

 

[tod83]

i'd throw in hcg for that cycle....i mean damn, should make good gains with that, wouldn't want to lose them.

what is the mg/ml on your bottles? if it's 250mg/ml then you have 2500mg per bottle X 7 = 17500mg

your running 500 per week for 12 weeks which comes out to 6000mg, you have over double what you need bro. unless your stuff is weaker

It does not say a dose on the bottle bexcause he has put iit in a plain blank vial he did not tell me how much to take he just said there 70mil there i gave you you 10 mil or more extra then you need for 12 weeks and he said its test enth because thats what i wanted, so is all test enth the same dose when taking it i just read up i should take 500 mg.

 

[tod83]

how do you work out your maintenence cals its been awhile and i just try to eat and eat as much as i can so i stopped keeping track and dose any one have any thing to say about cycle is it ok?

 

[hesnobradpitt]

It does not say a dose on the bottle bexcause he has put iit in a plain blank vial he did not tell me how much to take he just said there 70mil there i gave you you 10 mil or more extra then you need for 12 weeks and he said its test enth because thats what i wanted, so is all test enth the same dose when taking it i just read up i should take 500 mg.

You have to find out how many ml per ml ,the dude should have told you ,
hope its not olive oil .

 

[tod83]

You have to find out how many ml per ml ,the dude should have told you ,
hope its not olive oil .

what do you mean ml per mil?

 

[stuck]

how do you work out your maintenence cals its been awhile and i just try to eat and eat as much as i can so i stopped keeping track and dose any one have any thing to say about cycle is it ok?

That's totally dependent on you, so I can't answer that. If I ate 4000 cals a day I'd weigh 300 lbs, my metabolism sucks.

Your other question makes me a bit leery about your knowledge level. Your test vial is measured in milligrams per milliliter, or mg/ml. Most test is 250mg/ml, so you inject 1ml to get 250mg of test. To get 500mg per week, you'd inject 1ml twice a week. Over 12 weeks that would be 48ml total. (2ml per week * 12 weeks). If your test is 250mg/ml, you're all set.

Your PCT is lacking though, do not start your cycle until you have that figured out. Check out the PCT forum on the boards for tons of great info.

 

[tod83]

That's totally dependent on you, so I can't answer that. If I ate 4000 cals a day I'd weigh 300 lbs, my metabolism sucks.

Your other question makes me a bit leery about your knowledge level. Your test vial is measured in milligrams per milliliter, or mg/ml. Most test is 250mg/ml, so you inject 1ml to get 250mg of test. To get 500mg per week, you'd inject 1ml twice a week. Over 12 weeks that would be 48ml total. (2ml per week * 12 weeks). If your test is 250mg/ml, you're all set.

Your PCT is lacking though, do not start your cycle until you have that figured out. Check out the PCT forum on the boards for tons of great info.

I asked the guy today and he said take 5 mil a week 2.5mil on monday and 2.5mil on thursday and i have 70 mil of the test and i only paid for 60 mil and he gave me 10 mil extra because it was the last bit in his bladder so 60 mil equals 5 mil a weak for 12 weeks i got confused cause i ask a guy and i said i was going to take 5 mil a weak and he said thats way to much because you only need 2 mil 500 mg a week so is the stuff i bought weaker or something have you ever got weaker stuff you need to take more of to get the right dose.

 

[stuck]

I asked the guy today and he said take 5 mil a week 2.5mil on monday and 2.5mil on thursday and i have 70 mil of the test and i only paid for 60 mil and he gave me 10 mil extra because it was the last bit in his bladder so 60 mil equals 5 mil a weak for 12 weeks i got confused cause i ask a guy and i said i was going to take 5 mil a weak and he said thats way to much because you only need 2 mil 500 mg a week so is the stuff i bought weaker or something have you ever got weaker stuff you need to take more of to get the right dose.

Did he say what it was?

 

[tod83]

Did he say what it was?

Do you mean what test it is? Its test enth

 

[jagerbombme]

wow, must be some weak enanth or he's gonna have you shooting over 2 grams per week. that's a taddddddddd much. lol

 

[stuck]

Do you mean what test it is? Its test enth

I dunno man, I would ask that guy again what he gave you. 100mg/ml Test Enth is on the low side for dosing. I would definitely not take it until you are absolutely sure it's 100mg/ml. If you shoot 5ml's of it a week and it turns out to be 250mg/ml you could be in for a rough ride.

 

[manny78]

8 weeks of test is enough for a first timer.

 

[tod83]

I dunno man, I would ask that guy again what he gave you. 100mg/ml Test Enth is on the low side for dosing. I would definitely not take it until you are absolutely sure it's 100mg/ml. If you shoot 5ml's of it a week and it turns out to be 250mg/ml you could be in for a rough ride.

What would happen if it was 500mg per 2 mil and i took 5mil a week not knowing, wat could be the out come

 

[tod83]

I dunno man, I would ask that guy again what he gave you. 100mg/ml Test Enth is on the low side for dosing. I would definitely not take it until you are absolutely sure it's 100mg/ml. If you shoot 5ml's of it a week and it turns out to be 250mg/ml you could be in for a rough ride.

I just wish aas was more easier to get in australia as it is in america i have been looking for a sorce for a while know and only just found one hope hes legit with hes stuff .

 

[stuck]

What would happen if it was 500mg per 2 mil and i took 5mil a week not knowing, wat could be the out come

You would have massive side effects. Seriously, don't mess with that stuff until you confirm what the mg/ml is.

 

[Wulfgar]

Save the test bro
1st cycle run Deca only 200 mg every 8 days
you will blow the fuck up and not have to worry about the sides from test use(which i doubt you woud see anyways @ such a low dose)
safe the growth threshold for test until after you run a deca only cycle.

 

[Ulter]

I suggest you use AIFM instead of nolva. You should use an aromatase inhibitor throughout the cycle and PCT.

 

[damnitmannn727]

Bro, I think the guy most likely ripped you off. 5ml/ew????? God damn, that is some low dosing Test. IDK bro, I'd find out more about that shit and make sure your source is legit. And definitely don't run Deca as your first cycle. TEST is the best for first cycle. Good luck!!!

 

[tod83]

I have to get nolva off him today so im going to ask him again how many mg per mil if he says it 500mg per 5mil should i risk it and take it or find some one else to get it off and waste $350 .

 

[italianstallion1]

I just wish aas was more easier to get in australia as it is in america i have been looking for a sorce for a while know and only just found one hope hes legit with hes stuff .

I know what your talking about when it comes to gear in this country, sources can be hard to come by..but make sure you have legit stuff and know what the
mg per mil is before you start the cycle..let us know how you go!

 

[tod83]

sorry my bad

 

[italianstallion1]

sorry my bad[/QUOTE
dont get that

 

[MILLENNIUM]

I have to get nolva off him today so im going to ask him again how many mg per mil if he says it 500mg per 5mil should i risk it and take it or find some one else to get it off and waste $350 .

Go with 3ML per wk 1.2 1.5 tues thurs. If it is 100mg/ml you will be takin 300mg e/w not bad you will get results. If it is 250mg/ml you will be taking 750mg e/w high for fist cycle kinda but not gonna kill you. Happy medium if you are unsure. I definitely wouldnt guess and just take 5ml per week and be shooting 1250mg's of the shit. That would be brutal for you.

 

[tod83]

Go with 3ML per wk 1.2 1.5 tues thurs. If it is 100mg/ml you will be takin 300mg e/w not bad you will get results. If it is 250mg/ml you will be taking 750mg e/w high for fist cycle kinda but not gonna kill you. Happy medium if you are unsure. I definitely wouldnt guess and just take 5ml per week and be shooting 1250mg's of the shit. That would be brutal for you.

Thanks mate that helps alot have you ever heard of 100mg per mil?

 

[Lestat]

no offense bro, but it sounds like your juice could be garbage. It doesn't say how many mg per ml there is? The guy can't tell you. I'd get this all cleared up before you stick yourself with that stuff.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I have to get nolva off him today so im going to ask him again how many mg per mil if he says it 500mg per 5mil should i risk it and take it or find some one else to get it off and waste $350 .

Aint it the truth , keep on him you need to know .