First Cycle

[1991rs]

First Cycle HELP!!!!!!!

I am thinking doing my first AAS cycle in a few weeks. My goal for this first cycle is to get as big and ripped as possible. For my second cycle i want to focus on strength. I am looking for cycle recomendations.

6'4"
200lbs.
6%bf
4 years lifting history

goal: to get to about 245 without going above 8%bf

 

[Beelzebub_XVF]

you want to gain 45lbs and not gain more than 2% bf? get some more realistic goals bro. but a good first cycle would be test enanthate at 500mg/wk. that's an awesome first cycle that will yield great gains provided that diet is in check. 20-25lbs is more reasonable before PCT, mostly likely keep 15lbs of that afterwards.

 

[1991rs]

i guess i could have been more clear. Here is the goal. 45 lbs by summer with however many cycles it takes. i guess i could go up to about 12%. The last recomendation i got was an 8 to 10 week cycle of Test cyp, Eq and dbol followed by PCT. I am know taking in around 6000 calories, 400g protein 350g fat and 300 carbs, and traning my ass off and have gained 10lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks....Not good IMO. I wants serious mass

 

[Beelzebub_XVF]

you're getting 350g of fat? whoever told you that shit should be slapped in the nuts 3-4 times. that's an insane amount of fat, goddamn. i'm surprised you only gained 10lbs so far, maybe your metabolism is insanely fast but in any case, that can't be good for your heart.

anywho, testcyp, eq, and dbol is a good first cycle as well. most suggest test only cycles for a first to see how they react to it, then add a compound next time and judge the effect, so on and so forth.

and between now and summer still can't be anymore than 1 long ester cycle, averaging 12 weeks on, with 12 weeks of off time, bam, it's summer time after one cycle.

 

[Meat_head]

Not a good idea to use three types of AS for your first cycle. Stick With Test
only and see how your body reacts. How old are you and how many cycles do you think you are going to be able to fit into a 4 month span? Also 10lbs of lean mass is a nice gain. Why dont you stick to what your doing?

 

[1991rs]

I have used deca but very stupidly. When i was playing high school football i would inject 250mg wed,thurs and friday without knowing anything about AAS. It sounds hard to believe but i went from 180 to 240 in 8 solid moths of training and using deca none stop like an idiot.. Have had all blod tests done 2 weeks ago and everything checked out clear as day. 350g fat?? that was sugessted by my boss, I trust every word he says he has owned a gym and trained hardcore for 18 years. He did one Ironman show and took first in his class and first all around. Very reliable IMO

 

[1991rs]

maybe your metabolism is insanely fast \

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I do have a rediculous metabolism i lose weight taking in 4000 cals a day and not training

 

[Beelzebub_XVF]

well hell man. you gained 10lbs of lean in 12 weeks naturally so you're doing something right. stick with it. i've known a few bros that did deca only cycles. yeah, they work for mass and strength, but the sides are generally more pronounced. some lucky guys react differently though, your mileage may vary. good luck with whatever you decide to run.

 

[1991rs]

I didn't even really know i was using a steroid when i used the deca. All i knew was that it turned me into a phsyco on the field i just need a detailed cycle to put on size not become another phsyco

 

[Raffaz]

Just go with a 500mg pw test only cycle, i would have suggested stacking the deca with that aswell, but you said it gave you probs. If you wanna do deca aswell then you could go for 500mg test pw, 400 deca pw, dbol 30mg per day for first 4 weeks. Get some nolvadex and dostinex to combat both types of gyno (precautionary) and get your PCT sorted aswell.

Mick

 

[black sheep]

Summer = 4 months away. There is no time to do more than one cycle and pct, then have proper time off within that time frame.

DO a good bulker with proper diet, training, rest, and PCT and you can get 20lbs that will stick to ya, but 45, sorry, not going to happen.

Sounds like another Spring Break Thread.

 

[1991rs]

nope not a spring break thread. i am not looking for any real gains for spring break. Iy's not like i get to go anywhere to impress anybody i gotta work the whole damn week. So Raffaz how much do you think i can put on with 500mg test, 400mg deca and 30mg of dbol???? then what should i do after the first 4 weeks.

 

[Raffaz]

nope not a spring break thread. i am not looking for any real gains for spring break. Iy's not like i get to go anywhere to impress anybody i gotta work the whole damn week. So Raffaz how much do you think i can put on with 500mg test, 400mg deca and 30mg of dbol???? then what should i do after the first 4 weeks.

You will put on no more than 25lbs i reckon, after that you need to run ya PCT. Like the other bros have said, you wont get 2 cycles done in 4 months. You just havent enough time mate. I think that 45lbs in 4 months is unrealistic, unless you wanna be a walking tub of lard.

Mick

 

[1991rs]

You will put on no more than 25lbs i reckon, after that you need to run ya PCT. Like the other bros have said, you wont get 2 cycles done in 4 months. You just havent enough time mate. I think that 45lbs in 4 months is unrealistic, unless you wanna be a walking tub of lard.

Mick

So go 4 weeks AAS then run PCT. What about doing like an 8 week cycle of AAS then after cycle?

 

[longhorn814]

no what he meant was run the dbol for the first four weeks to kick off your cycle. That way you'll make some good gains right off the bat while waiting for the long lasting esters of deca and test to kick in. do it like this

1-4 dbol 40mg/day
1-11 deca 400mg/wk
1-12 test e or cyp 500mg/wk

Start PCT two weeks after last shot of test e

 

[1991rs]

So what would be the best test to take. Cyp, Enanthate, Susp, Prop, I am also looking for something with low DHT Conversion or a DHT blocker. Need to keep the hair!!!!!!!! LOL

 

[longhorn814]

All test, regardless of the ester, will convert to DHT. You could take a DHT blocker like finasteride (propecia) with it, however there is some debate that DHT blocker may inhibit gains b/c DHT is very anabolic. Although I doubt you'll go bald after one cycle

 

[Apexx]

I didn't even really know i was using a steroid when i used the deca. All i knew was that it turned me into a phsyco on the field i just need a detailed cycle to put on size not become another phsyco

You've used steroids before without knowing what you put into your body.
Barry Bonds.....is that you. But seriously bro, you don't respect your body much
if you are willing to start injecting shit into it without knowing what in the hell it is.

So Raffaz how much do you think i can put on with 500mg test, 400mg deca and 30mg of dbol???? then what should i do after the first 4 weeks.

This is a HORRIBLE 1st cycle!!!!! When are you guys gonna learn, 1st cycle should be test only. At the very least, the first cycle should only be one compound.

 

[Raffaz]

This is a HORRIBLE 1st cycle!!!!! When are you guys gonna learn, 1st cycle should be test only. At the very least, the first cycle should only be one compound.

As far as im concerned it isnt his first cycle, he has already stated that he has used deca, so whats wrong with adding test to that this time round.....nothing

Mick

 

[Apexx]

As far as im concerned it isnt his first cycle, he has already stated that he has used deca, so whats wrong with adding test to that this time round.....nothing

Mick

I hear what you're saying, but do you honestly think he has a clue how he is going to react to deca. Yeah he's taken it before, but he didn't even know he was "on". I think he needs to look at this as his first cycle. He doesn't have enough knowledge to start combining shit, so I say he should start from square one.

 

[SlimJim300]

you're getting 350g of fat? whoever told you that shit should be slapped in the nuts 3-4 times. that's an insane amount of fat, goddamn. i'm surprised you only gained 10lbs so far, maybe your metabolism is insanely fast but in any case, that can't be good for your heart.

Some people do very well on a diet with this much fat in it. I am one of those people. As for it being bad for the heart, you don't even know what you're talking about. Unless the fat in his diet is mostly refined vegetable oils, there is nothing unhealthy about it. You should be "slapped in the nuts" for perpetuating false information.

 

[Raffaz]

I hear what you're saying, but do you honestly think he has a clue how he is going to react to deca. Yeah he's taken it before, but he didn't even know he was "on". I think he needs to look at this as his first cycle. He doesn't have enough knowledge to start combining shit, so I say he should start from square one.

I understand your point of view aswell mate. Normally i would agree with 1 compound first cycle (check some of my other posts). But i think he would have noticed probs with the deca first time around, regardless of him knowing if he was on or not. Just my opinion.

Mick

 

[Mikus]

I agree, for all that matters this is his first cycle, and he should stick to one compound.

 

[1991rs]

The way things started with the deca i did, was through a teammate and very good friend of mine 3 years ago. He gave me some Andro 150 poppers for 3 months straight i knew what those where at the time and got decent gains from them. Them 2 months after i quit taking those i noticed he was an animal on the field and i asked him how he got so hyped up, i mean the dude went so far beyond ray lewis it was scary as for adrenaline. He them gave me a syringe load with 1 cc of something which i did not know at the time he said take this wed, thurs and friday an hour before the game and you will see. Took it for 8 months with out stopping even after football was over. Honestly i should be dead but i am a crazy fucker and am going to start playing semi pro ball next year. I want to get back up to 240, 250 before season starts but i want to do it knowing what i am doing

 

[1991rs]

You've used steroids before without knowing what you put into your body.
Barry Bonds.....is that you. But seriously bro, you don't respect your body much
if you are willing to start injecting shit into it without knowing what in the hell it is.

I live with total disrespect for my body. I am currently play three sports Rugby, Lacrosse and football. i am playing with 4 broken ribs and a broken shoulder. I do not believe in your body is a temple. The reason i am asking about what to use and how much is because on the deca i turned into a phsyco and i dont want to spend anymore time in jail for assault i thing 750mg of deca each week was alittle over kill. Plus all you suggestions i will run by my boss/ trainer who has used ever bodybuilding substence known to man, so he knows his shit he just can't refer anything to me but if have it written down he will aprove or disapprove. I just need the ideas
This is a HORRIBLE 1st cycle!!!!! When are you guys gonna learn, 1st cycle should be test only. At the very least, the first cycle should only be one compound.

 

[SlimJim300]

Please tell me you aren't blaming deca for roid rage...

 

[Raffaz]

I live with total disrespect for my body. I am currently play three sports Rugby, Lacrosse and football. i am playing with 4 broken ribs and a broken shoulder. I do not believe in your body is a temple. The reason i am asking about what to use and how much is because on the deca i turned into a phsyco and i dont want to spend anymore time in jail for assault i thing 750mg of deca each week was alittle over kill. Plus all you suggestions i will run by my boss/ trainer who has used ever bodybuilding substence known to man, so he knows his shit he just can't refer anything to me but if have it written down he will aprove or disapprove. I just need the ideas
This is a HORRIBLE 1st cycle!!!!! When are you guys gonna learn, 1st cycle should be test only. At the very least, the first cycle should only be one compound.

Doesnt really matter what ya boss has used. That doesnt apply to you, everyone reacts differently to different compounds. Only way to truly know how your gonna react is to try it yourself.

Mick