First Cycle

[socalmx17]

Hey I wanted to ask a question since im not very experianced in this subject. Im about 6ft 1inch 165-7 pounds. Last time i checked i was around 13% body fat. Me and a friend of mine got winstrol tabs 10mg QV and ive been taking 50mg ED for about 5 days now. 25mg in morning and another 25 about 8-9 hrs later. My goal is to get to 10% BF and appear more cut, not necessarily bulky. My diet is pretty decent, no junk food but a lot of protein and good carbs to maintain muscle. Im also working out nearly everyday but giving each muscle about 72 hrs of rest with cardio on my off days. My real question is... how much of an effect will winny have on reaching my goals, and is there anything else i could be stacking it with to achieve greater results. Id like to stay away from injectables but i dont want to put my liver under great stress either. Im also really worried about permanent side effects even though i realize doing things the right way will minimize them, which is why im here for help. Thanks!

 

[The Terminator]

Stacking it with Test would be a better option, IMO

Also it sounds to me like your training is what I would consider OVERTRAINING (this will have a HUGE impact on what you gain from the gear...)

 

[socalmx17]

Stacking it with Test would be a better option, IMO

Also it sounds to me like your training is what I would consider OVERTRAINING (this will have a HUGE impact on what you gain from the gear...)

So your saying that i need longer rest when im taking the tabs?? because i was under the impression that you need to train more during most any cycles. I understand theres always limits to training, but i dont feel tired or sore when it comes time to work out particular muscle groups that day... thanks for the reply. One more ? : by test do you mean like test 250? i havnt researched that particular one yet but i will look into it an figure out if its something i can do... should i wait to finish winny now that ive allready started? I can get jus about anything anytime.

 

[The Terminator]

So your saying that i need longer rest when im taking the tabs?? because i was under the impression that you need to train more during most any cycles. I understand theres always limits to training, but i dont feel tired or sore when it comes time to work out particular muscle groups that day... thanks for the reply. One more ? : by test do you mean like test 250? i havnt researched that particular one yet but i will look into it an figure out if its something i can do... should i wait to finish winny now that ive allready started? I can get jus about anything anytime.

Well just taking Winstrol ALONE WILL have a negative impact on your natural test production, so with that in mind I ALWAYS think its a wise idea to include an outside source of testosterone (sine you have now shut down, or atleast "inhibited' your internal source of it )

And by "Test" I mean injectable Testosterone...

Remember that you grow WHILE RESTING, NOT while training...
A very common mistake made by the novice steroid user is they overtrain...

A good rule of thumb is that if the bodypart you are to train that day is STILL SORE from the last time you hit it then you NEED MORE REST....

 

[socalmx17]

Well just taking Winstrol ALONE WILL have a negative impact on your natural test production, so with that in mind I ALWAYS think its a wise idea to include an outside source of testosterone (sine you have now shut down, or atleast "inhibited' your internal source of it )

And by "Test" I mean injectable Testosterone...

Remember that you grow WHILE RESTING, NOT while training...
A very common mistake made by the novice steroid user is they overtrain...

A good rule of thumb is that if the bodypart you are to train that day is STILL SORE from the last time you hit it then you NEED MORE REST....

Thanks, looks like i need to get a few more things then... any suggestions on brands? is there any in pill form i can take instead of inject?? Appreciate it so much!

 

[oubeta]

YOu can take dball, but just man up ant take 500ml test enth or cyp a week. Doesn't matter what brand. It's will be easier on your body than dball 17AA's

 

[slat1]

I always hate asking this... but... how old are you?

 

[The Terminator]

I always hate asking this... but... how old are you?

If he doesnt want to use injectables then my guess is....TOO YOUNG to be using steroids ...(i.e. probably under 21)

 

[socalmx17]

Im almost 20 yrs old... i jus dont like injectables of any sort but if it is better for me in the long run id rather do what is safer. thanks for the help. ive heard some good things about cyp, maybe i will try that out. should i wait to finish the winny or jus start now on it. ive only been on the tabs for about 5 days, not too long.

 

[Apexx]

YOu can take dball, but just man up ant take 500ml test enth or cyp a week. Doesn't matter what brand. It's will be easier on your body than dball 17AA's

I wouldn't recommend doing winny and dbol together. IMO that would be way to harsh on your liver. Run test prop if you're gonna do anything

If he doesnt want to use injectables then my guess is....TOO YOUNG to be using steroids ...(i.e. probably under 21)

I know guys well into their 30's who juice, but will very rarely do an injectable cycle just because they don't like needles.
My guess is that he is too young for steroids because of his lack of knowledge on the topic and eagerness to get involved with it anyway.

socalm, if you're 6'-1" and only weigh 165lbs, I'd say that you really need to take a look at your diet. You said that it's pretty clean, but I highly doubt that you're getting enough calories. Just my opinion bro.

 

[UA_Iron]

uh, winny isnt exactly a side effect free drug. You can expect your cholesterol to be skewed, maybe some raised liver values.

Injectables are mild compared to orals (unless its like tren or something)

 

[2lunatics_ina_rubber_room]

20 years old is kinda young to be using AAS in our humble opinion. Your natural Testosterone levels should be at their peak. No offense but you should have quite a few years of "natural" bodybuilding ahead of you before choosing chemicals.

I would encourage you to avoid AAS and use this board to learn everything you can about sports nutrition and physiology. Get some years of experience and a little trial and error time in the gym before you go for the quick fix.

Don't let the "impetus of youth" be your downfall. Hope the advice isn't offensive to you. That's not what we were shooting for. Good luck in your fitness quest

The 2 Lunatics -- Bob & Jessica

 

[The Terminator]

Im almost 20 yrs old... i jus dont like injectables of any sort but if it is better for me in the long run id rather do what is safer. thanks for the help. ive heard some good things about cyp, maybe i will try that out. should i wait to finish the winny or jus start now on it. ive only been on the tabs for about 5 days, not too long.

Injectables are ALOT LESS stressful on your detoxifying organs (liver, kidneys) so YES, in the short run AND long term they are probably not going to be as bad for you...

Since you are only 5 days into this its not too late to STOP now (which is what I would advise you to do)
But if you decide to go ther other way then adding in any testosterone in the range of ~400 mg a week would be great for gains for you...

 

[Stacemranger]

So your saying that i need longer rest when im taking the tabs?? because i was under the impression that you need to train more during most any cycles. I understand theres always limits to training, but i dont feel tired or sore when it comes time to work out particular muscle groups that day...

I used to train every body part twice a week. I got tired of doing that and went to once a week with greater intensity and a few more reps on all excersizes and I have never seen greater gains. I do each body part once a week, period(except for abs).

Mon-chest, triceps
Tue-shoulders, abs
Wed-back
Thur-off
Fri-biceps, abs
Sat-legs
Sun-off

Give that a shot. And just as said before, if you're 6'1", and only 165 lbs you need to up your calories big time. I'm 6" even and I weigh 205 at about 12-13% BF.

 

[socalmx17]

Thanks for all the input... its been a lil under a week now an my muscles have never felt harder... I might jus stick with the winny cycle and finish with some clomid. after that i dont think i will take any test, at least for quite a while. I just got bloodwork done to test my liver values and they are better than average, am going again in 2 weeks to make sure theres no significant changes. As far as my diet goes... i basically eat until im not hungry for jus about every meal i have a day (usually around 6 meals per day) . Do you think clomid is a good choice to finish with? if so how much would you recommend i pick up??