First Cycle

[oneandthesame]

Will start it in march hopefully. Am 6 feet 187 pounds hopefully 190 by march 31 years old 12-14% bf

week 1-8 ttokkyo deca 300mg
followed by clomid therepy 2 weeks after last shot

don't have a girl at the time so I'm not worried about deca dick but my friend is married and he will be on the same cycle should he worry he's my age and 200 pounds at 6ft2 with 12%bf

also is it true that if one gets gyno on deca their is nothing one can do about it ? what i mean is that if i were on test i could get some proviron in case of gyno developed but with deca anti'e's don't really work do they?

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[BigAndy69]

Good first cycle.

Deca dick is unlikely at 200-300mg but it does happen. Gyno can happen at 200-300mg.

Deca can give you progesterone related gyno as opposed to estrogen related gyno. Obviously, anti e's are not going to work too well.

It would be good for you to have a little bit of winny around in case gyno starts to form. It's not guaranteed to work but it's worth a shot.

Also get yourself some Vitex(Chasteberry), this lowers prolactin levels. It's more of an issue with Fina but it can help a little with deca.

Unfortunetely, there are no anti-progesterone available, aside from the extremely dangerous ru486

 

[oneandthesame]

thanks bigandy let me ask you this all my life i've been skinny until i stopped smoking and started to eat and eat and pump the iron but aren't genetically skinny people not as prone to get gyno in the first place or does it not matter?

I just may get a little winny and the chasteberry stuff i'll do some research on that just as i did with the deca.

I'm looking to just get to 210 or 215 on this cycle to me that would be great

also it seems a lot of people here have had problems with gyno and are not deterred whatsoever so maybe gyno is not as bad as I am thinking , are most cases very mild and not too noticable?

my chest is slow to grow too so maybe a little gyno will give it some size..........

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[Willyumyum]

You don't want gyno bro, progesterone gyno is much less common than estrogen gyno so you have less to worry about since you arent using test or anything... I'm not sure what kind of gains you can expect from deca alone though... good luck bro.

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[Krusher]

You and your buddy need to add 500mg/wk of test..gyno shouldn't be a problem at these doses.

 

[BigAndy69]

Umm, I overlooked something, I thought you were using human grade deca...

If you want to get to 210lbs, then it's Organon or Norma deca you are looking for.

Trust me you do not want gyno. It completely ruins a physique. I use to think it wasn't a big deal until I got puffy nipples(not from gear, water retension and BF).

Nipples, beleive or not, are a very important aspect of a physique.

No, skinny ppl are not more prone to gyno. There gyno is more noticable because they have less fat around the pec area and less water retension.

 

[oneandthesame]

yep willy I don't want it at all but telling me it's more rare is a comfort thanks bro now as far as the deca alone thing you make a good question as to how much one can gain. From my research it is by far the SAFEST of all steroids therefor a good candidate from my perspective. By doing it this way I can see firsthand how my body responds to it. Then I will know or least have some experience to base my next cycle on.

I have read people saying anywhere from 20 to 30 pounds gained deca only first cycle with about 15 to 20 pounds kept.

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