First Cycle - Worried About Side Effects

[BigM2011]

Hi guys, I'm seriously considering doing my first cycle soon, and needed some opinions. Here are some info:

Age: 24
Weight: 155lbs
Height: 5 5'
Body Fat: Less than 5%
Never used steroids before

For my first cycle I will be using Test E. and Deca for 12 weeks. When it comes to dosages I have the help of a few friends who used those substances for about 10 years now, however unlike my friends I do have some traits that they don't. For example, I already started bolding between the age of 22 - 23, and developed hair on my back and shoulders (I've had thick hair on my legs since I was a teenager), I never had any problems with Acne. Because I have these traits that my friends don't I can't rely on them for feedback on potential side effects.

I will be taking the proper post cycle therapy substances, and will have everything like estrogen reducing substances to combat side effects such as gyno.

I do realize that the intensity of the side effects is hard to anticipate, but am curious if anyone has any idea on what I should expect? Acne, more hair growth, and bloating? And how severe?

Despite my best efforts with my training and nutrition I can't gain anything! I'm happy with the ripped look I have but always wanted to get a bit bigger. What' your opinion?

 

[Nelson Montana]

You're worried about side effects yet you're using Deca which is riddled with sides. And 12 weeks is twice as long as you need to be on.

If you;re worried about sides, doesn't it make sense to use mild compounds at low dosages for a short amount of time?

 

[Sherk]

I agree. I to am going to do my first legit cycle of aas and have done and still do countless amounts of research and from my opinion if you're already prone to the sides of deca you might want to rethink your cycle. Again I'm no pro at this I'm pretty new but to me 12 weeks is a long time with deca

 

[cuthroat]

what is your question exactly?

Yes, introducing a synthetic testosterone into your system will accelerate genetic hair loss, (so if your prone to balding more likely than not your hair will begin to thin out on cycle and may in fact accelerate balding) for me personally, not being genetically disposed to balding it simply brought about my "widows peak" sooner than it would have.

For your first cycle I would switch to just the Test Enanthate @ 400-600 (some people have great success with simply 400 I am an advocate of the higher end) 8-10 weeks.

You can add a D-bol kicker or some other oral for the first 4 weeks even for an initial boost before your test kicks in. Deca is harsh though in the terms of sides and strongly advise that you do not use this for a first cycle. Nelson knows his shit - so this is to experienced people saying lose the Deca.

Also you should be able to make more gains at your weight naturally before using AS - LET THIS STICK WITH YOU --> IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR DIET AND LIFTS NAILED NOW YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING YOU GAIN. AS are not magic, they are tool to be used in conjunction with solid diet and training.

Gifted Platinum -- stick around here and research as much as you can,read others logs and look at their results and get an idea of what you really need to do with yours.

 

[BigM2011]

That's strange, I've done alot of research and all sources described Deca as a relatively safe substance, that's why it's so popular among bodybuilders? I've seen posts on other forums where guys got tortured for saying they cycled Deca for only 7-8 weeks? As for side effects, so far I only found that Deca might cause severe bloating and gyno, all the other hair related side effects seem to come from Test.?

To be honest I've already accepted the fact that I'm losing my hair and shave my head bald anyway, so I couldn't really care about losing more hair, am just worried about acne that might leave permanent scars, or more hair growth in unwanted areas. I was about to start laser hair removal but decided to delay it until this cycle is over?

I'll have to do more research, I'll definitely reduce the cycle to 10 weeks as you guys advised. Still have to look into whether I should get rid of the Deca or not.

 

[party_booye]

You said your self you're not prone to acne so It's probably nothing to worry about. If.so worried about sides why use two dif meds whenyoull never know what wad causing the sides that bothered u most

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[Nelson Montana]

That's strange, I've done alot of research and all sources described Deca as a relatively safe substance, that's why it's so popular among bodybuilders? I've seen posts on other forums where guys got tortured for saying they cycled Deca for only 7-8 weeks? As for side effects, so far I only found that Deca might cause severe bloating and gyno, all the other hair related side effects seem to come from Test.?
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All that shows is that most people who post on other forums don't know what they're talking about.

I'm not saying that because this is MY forum, I just know that people who know what they're doing (or want to) tend to come here.

People who just want to keep doing the same shit they've always done and keep talking about it, tend to find a forum -- any forum -- establish themselves, and then dole out worthless advice.

 

[BigM2011]

All that shows is that most people who post on other forums don't know what they're talking about.

I'm not saying that because this is MY forum, I just know that people who know what they're doing (or want to) tend to come here.

People who just want to keep doing the same shit they've always done and keep talking about it, tend to find a forum -- any forum -- establish themselves, and then dole out worthless advice.

You're absolutely right. I knew I should get more advice and glad I did.

So it seems like it will be only Test. E for 8 weeks (about 400 - 500 mgs) per week with Dbol for the first two weeks only. Talked to another friend who seems to know alot about this despite never using it and he agrees 100% to avoid Deca for now. He did mention lots of multi-vitamins, some of which will help reduce estrogen levels which will reduce side effects, and Nolvadex on hand in case gyno occurs? And Clomid in the last week or two for post cycle therapy.

What do you guys think?

 

[dagorart]

First of all, if you're using test, wait two weeks after your last injection to start your PCT so the esters can clear. You can use an AI as well to prevent gyno. Clomid and Nolva are good for PCT. Also how long have you been working out? Steroids are basically an extreme supplement, yeah you'll grow fast for the next two months, but if your diet isn't in check, your gains won't stay for long.