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first cycle thoughts..

donfried

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Obtained 10ml of sust 250 and 10ml of sust 350, want to work it into a 10 week cycle but unsure of the best way. I also do not necessarily want to go over 500mgs a week. Would it be stupid to pin .5ml (tues and friday) of the sust 350 (350mg a week) for the first 5 weeks then jump to 2ml (tues and friday) a week of the sust 250 for the remaining 5 weeks? (i know i would have 5ml of 350 left..). I considered this option because it is a first cycle and from what i gather, sides are usually minimal at 500mgs a week.
 
or should i pyramid the dosages over the 10 weeks... maybe starting somewhere less than 500mgs-week, peaking at 500mgs in the middle and tapering off the dosage towards the end?
 
just found out it will be sust 325. So if i drew say, .7cc the dosage should be approx 227.5mgs? Not sure if it definitely works that way. Also, i was unsure if i should pyramid the dosages over 10 weeks.. o
 
don... board policy is stats first, then advice (lifting exp, age, hght, wght, bodyfat, etc)
 
Sorry, new to the forum. I'm 24. Been Lifting since i was 17. Was 6'4 175. now at 6'4 210. 11% bodyfat.. Been Serious on and off over the last 7 years. Started lifting seriously again about 8 months ago and managed to get my bench up to 275, deadlift at 330.. Have never been able to get any further than my current stats (was putting up the same numbers three or four years ago). Plan on doing the cycle as sort of a one time thing to get me past the 220 hump and hopefully remain above 220.
 
Reminding everyone again stats first or i'm going to start handing out infractions, last time i'm going to say this.
 
Just run 10 weeks of 250 and save the other bottle for next time. 250 is plenty for a beginners. What is your pct plan and do you have an ai?


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Just run 10 weeks of 250 and save the other bottle for next time. 250 is plenty for a beginners. What is your pct plan and do you have an ai?


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pct plan is clomid 300 mg day 1, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-21 50 mg. could get a hold of an ai pretty easy if need be. Would i actually gain more than 10lbs on a cycle of 250mg for 10 weeks?
 
pct plan is clomid 300 mg day 1, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-21 50 mg. could get a hold of an ai pretty easy if need be. Would i actually gain more than 10lbs on a cycle of 250mg for 10 weeks?

That's insane! Those dosages of Clomid are going to make you feel like complete shit! 12.5mg-25mg of Clomid MAX (If you absolutely feel you must). Personally, I'd run:

1-10 250mg Sustanon
7-10 HCGenerate

PCT
11-14 Unleashed
11-14 Post-Cyle
11-14 (or 16). Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps am, 5 pumps pm)
 
Since youre already a larger dude, 350/wk 10 weeks, pinned .5 ml twice a week. Run HCG starting week 3 at 250IU/twice week to mitigate testicular shutdown
 
pct plan is clomid 300 mg day 1, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-21 50 mg. could get a hold of an ai pretty easy if need be. Would i actually gain more than 10lbs on a cycle of 250mg for 10 weeks?

Way too much clomid and 250 is plenty to gain. My first cycle I ran 250 and gained 20 lbs and after pct I kept about a solid 12lbs. Definitely get an ai as its better safe than sorry. Here is the way Id run it.

1-10 test 250 mg week
1-16 adex .5 mg every 3 rd day or as needed
9-13 hcg at 250 ius a week or hcgenerate
12-16 clomid at 25 mg day
12-16 post cycle/ unleashed combo


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Way too much clomid and 250 is plenty to gain. My first cycle I ran 250 and gained 20 lbs and after pct I kept about a solid 12lbs. Definitely get an ai as its better safe than sorry. Here is the way Id run it.

1-10 test 250 mg week
1-16 adex .5 mg every 3 rd day or as needed
9-13 hcg at 250 ius a week or hcgenerate
12-16 clomid at 25 mg day
12-16 post cycle/ unleashed combo


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Much more reasonable.
 
say i would be unable to get a hold of HCG, would it be more practical for me to obtain an AI to have on hand (nolvadex most likely), incorporate that and then possibly lower the dosages of clomid for pct?? then use the nolvadex if i see any signs of aromatization?
 
say i would be unable to get a hold of HCG, would it be more practical for me to obtain an AI to have on hand (nolvadex most likely), incorporate that and then possibly lower the dosages of clomid for pct?? then use the nolvadex if i see any signs of aromatization?

If you cant get hcg then buy hcgenerate. Nolva isnt an ai its a serm like clomid. Get some arimadex or aromasin for your ai.

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Much more reasonable.
i already threw down for the sust 325. i may just go with the 250mg weekX10 week cycle mentioned and save the bottle of 325 for another time, but hypothetically if i wanted to run a 10 week cycle a little higher than 250mg a week, say like 250/weekX 5weeks then 500/week X 5 weeks, would i up the dosages for the clomid, HCG and arimidex as well?
 
how does this look:
1-5 250mg sust (tuesdays & fridays)
6-10 500mg sust
9-12 HCG 250iu (same day as sust pin) or HCGenerate
12-14 clomid 50mg ED (would the 50mg be necessary?)
14-16 clomid 25mg ED

arimidex on hand the whole time(.5mg every 3 days if need be) (just found out i can get the adex &possibly hcg
 
ok why are u upping the dosage in the mid like that??? just run the 250/wk split into 2 shots. I don't want to confuse things but then forma stanzolol from begin to end of pct to keep u drier. sust blows me up like a balloon if I don't take an ai. The forma will serve as ur ai but have adex for emergencies which shouldn't happen at 250.

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i would be upping the dose mid cycle in hopes of getting further size/strength gains. I also do not believe i can obtain forma. The bloat also wouldnt be of much concern to me unless it increased health risks..
 
No need to up it bro. About the time you're considering a dose increase is when the longer ester tests in sustanon kick in, and you'll see a night and day difference anyhow. Run it at 250 for ten weeks and you'll be surprised. Pros running two grams of test have got everyone thinking more is better, when that's not always the case. Who's to say you're not gifted genetically and could gain 20 pounds and keep it on 250mgs/wk? Play it safe bro, its the best way to be.

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i would be upping the dose mid cycle in hopes of getting further size/strength gains. I also do not believe i can obtain forma. The bloat also wouldnt be of much concern to me unless it increased health risks..

if u a credit card with $50 left on it and a computer then u can get forma. u'd be better off running 250/wk than adding mg at the end.
eat a lot but cleanand bust ur ass and u'll be very happy at the results,from that dosage.

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Sounds like a good plan, i appreciate the time taken to examine and advice. Since i'll stick to 250mg x 10weeks, would the PCT and HCG dosages i mentioned be sufficient? weeks 9-12 250 iu a week HCG... clomid weeks 12-14 50mg, weeks 15-16 25 mg ED.
 
when i take sust at any dose i get moon face and the forma would reduce this along with plenty of other benefits. not sure why you don't consider this but you have just got to have the clomid lol.
 
how does this look:
1-5 250mg sust (tuesdays & fridays)
6-10 500mg sust
9-12 HCG 250iu (same day as sust pin) or HCGenerate
12-14 clomid 50mg ED (would the 50mg be necessary?)
14-16 clomid 25mg ED

arimidex on hand the whole time(.5mg every 3 days if need be) (just found out i can get the adex &possibly hcg

Keep sus at same dose the whole time. Leave clomid at 25 mg day during pct no need to up it at any steroid dose. It will do its job but the higher dose of clomid can increase the sides if you get any. Go onto needtobuildmuscle.com to find the post cycle/ unleashed combo its worth the $60. If you dont have the $60 then get some cheap tribulus, but its not as good.

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Run 500mgs ew... 250 mon/250 thurs.No reason to make it more complicated then that.And 250 will give you gains but 500 will be better..Studies have proven that the best results of test cycle for even noobs, starts at over 300mg a week.
 
Run 500mgs ew... 250 mon/250 thurs.No reason to make it more complicated then that.And 250 will give you gains but 500 will be better..Studies have proven that the best results of test cycle for even noobs, starts at over 300mg a week.
still on the fence. say i did this... would pct, adex dosage and HCG dosages be the same as for the 250mg/week cycle?
 
still on the fence. say i did this... would pct, adex dosage and HCG dosages be the same as for the 250mg/week cycle?

Yes pct and everything else is the same. The only time I would change things is if you ran a more advanced cycle. But with just test only keep it simple. Do more research if you want to run more complicated cycles in the future.

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