first cycle: sust 250/winny

[KFB]

1 - Age : 29
2 - Lifting History : on and off for 12 years, 6 months of total dedication
3 - Height : 6'2"
4 - Weight : 195 lbs
5 - Estimated BF% : 13% is a guess (i am lean, with little love handles)
6 - Diet : clean and caloric
7 - Goals : solid LBM, nothing crazy
8 - Proposed cycle :

for a mild, first-ever cycle, how about:

weeks 1-8:
sust 250, 250mg/week -- injected
winny 50mg ED -- orally

anti-e: nolvadex 10mg ED -- orally
& tyler's for my liver

weeks 9-10 (PCT):
hcg

is proviron or clomid needed? is my dosage of nolva correct?

i am interested in quality muscle that i can retain. i do not want go crazy with this first try.
thanks.

 

[mr. snakes]

500mg/wk 10-12wks is the better way to go. Hcg is not needed for this beginner cycle. Clomid is needed at the end for PCT. Nolva dosage is ok, but you can always bump it to 20mg if you feel that 10mg is not getting the job done ..............................

 

[gymratforlife]

500mg/wk 10-12wks is the better way to go. Hcg is not needed for this beginner cycle. Clomid is needed at the end for PCT. Nolva dosage is ok, but you can always bump it to 20mg if you feel that 10mg is not getting the job done ..............................

sound advice

 

[gautho]

The snakeman is on the money bro.

 

[flyingfox272]

I agree, at 8 weeks you are just hitting your stride. Go at least 10 weeks. I am doing a similar cycle (sust 250 mg every 4th day, 50mg winny last six weeks) and my goal was also lean mass.

Good luck with your cycle bro!

 

[KFB]

thanks for the advice.
i have another question, because i will most likely not be able to extend to my cycle to 10 or 12 weeks:
would a deca/dbol first cycle be good for 8 weeks?
thanks again, fellas.

 

[jambookie]

don't run deca without test. go with what snakes said, 500mg of test for the 12 weeks. i was going to do the same thing. 500 test a week plus 400 eq a week, both for twelve weeks and winny at the end, but after alot of sound advice from this board i decided to go with omnadren monday and thursday for twelve weeks. i think most guys on here will say for a first cycle stick with a single compound, and i'm sure most would say that compound is test. i know i can't wait to start my first run. just waiting on the ancilleries. good luck on your first go.

jay

 

[AhMadKooL]

500mg/wk 10-12wks is the better way to go. Hcg is not needed for this beginner cycle. Clomid is needed at the end for PCT. Nolva dosage is ok, but you can always bump it to 20mg if you feel that 10mg is not getting the job done ..............................

I agreeeeeeeeeeeeees

 

[immortalis]

500mg/wk 10-12wks is the better way to go. Hcg is not needed for this beginner cycle. Clomid is needed at the end for PCT. Nolva dosage is ok, but you can always bump it to 20mg if you feel that 10mg is not getting the job done ..............................

K comin at the snake man.

 

[Ulter]

I would not recommend going up to 500mg and then not using an AI rather than Nolva. Use the AIFM for the entire cycle and then for pct. I agree clomid is enough, you won't need HCG here but it's good to use anyway just to blow your testes. The winny I would hold off on until the final 6 weeks if you're going to go 10. You are NOT just hitting your stride at 8 weeks, you're starting to fade at 8 weeks. So 8 is enough, but 10 is better.

 

[KFB]

thanks again for replies.
Ulter, i seek some clarification. How about this:
weeks 1-8
sust 250, every 84 hours
AIFM, ED
how much nolva? i have read that nolva is better than clomid.
PCT:
nolva/clomid
HCG, just to be safe

i will probably keep it simple and run just the test for this first cycle, as many recommend.

 

[KFB]

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