First cycle. Sus 250 + EQ

[IJONOI]

Hey guys, been reading this forum a lot and decided to try and get some opinions. I know your all sticklers for honesty and detail so here goes..

I'm 25, been training on and off for about 5 years, more seriously the last 18 months. I'm 6ft and weigh 180lbs, pretty ripped up, low bf %.

Been finding it hard to gain weight, gained about 4kgs this year. Woo. Eating round 3000 calories a day with 200ish grams of protein training 5/6 times a week. And yes, I do lots of legs

So, debating starting my first cycle. Running:
Sustanon 250 and equipoise. I've heard good things about this stack, good size but still being ripped up.

I was thinking 10/12 weeks but can do longer if recommended.
250 Sus - e3d
200 EQ - e3d same needle.

Is Adex really necessary on this cycle? Or would you recommend just having it on hand to prevent possible moobs?

Pct I was thinking

3 weeks after last jab, clomid and nolvadex.

..I'm in no rush to start and want to get my cycle set in stone before I begin. I'm far from being an expert.
Also 'my guy' only has Sus + EQ available.

Thanks gents, John.

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to EF..

You've been reading this forum alot and don't know test only for 1st cycle? or that most people frown on nolva?

TEST ONLY

~EZ

 

[ppgfreak]

I also really think you should do test only for your first cycle. Your going to be very impressed with how good it works. You can't say say you read on here a lot and then mention Nolvadex lol. No Nolva!

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[RickRock13]

Test only with possibly an oral kickstart is all you should go for a first cycle. But first you should reevaluate your diet and figure out why you haven't gained more weight. It sounds like you need more cals each day to me

 

[IJONOI]

thanks for the replies. the reason I was thinking EQ as well as the test is because I want to be as ripped up as possible and not going for pure size. I believe the equipoise is good for that.

The mrs would kill me if she knew I was debating this, going to be hard work convincing her the gains are eau natural

what would people suggest for pct? I've seen a lot of mixed opinions on nolva..

 

[IJONOI]

rickrock.. epic avatar..

I usually use phd synergy for my protein but i think when I start a cycle I'm gonna switch to a high calorie gainer. I'm just a bit skeptical as I don't wanna end up with a gut...

if I did use purely test, would it result in a lot of water weight?

thanks =]

 

[RickRock13]

rickrock.. epic avatar..

I usually use phd synergy for my protein but i think when I start a cycle I'm gonna switch to a high calorie gainer. I'm just a bit skeptical as I don't wanna end up with a gut...

if I did use purely test, would it result in a lot of water weight?

thanks =]

As long as you control carbs and estrogen water retention won't be bad on test only.

Also try to get as much calories as you can from whole food sources, and not the gainers. Those are usually full of sugar that goes to your gut.

Thanks for the compliment BTW

 

[IJONOI]

ha, no probs.

yea I tend to eat a lot of chicken, brown rice, pasta fruit, veg etc one of the reasons I try stay clear of gainers is high sugar.

so general recommendations are sus only. with Adex during the cycle?

is 500 a week in 2 jabs about right? I was gonna use 250 but someone said it wasn't really enough.

 

[Jack steel]

Either way you go, why do you have EQ at 200 e3d??? Is it propionate? Most EQ esters are long and e3d would be too much IMO. Unless you have a quick ester version. And YES, I would do at least 250x2 EW. With The way the differently timed esters work, 250 a week wouldn't be enough.

 

[IJONOI]

I thought about every 3 days to keep my blood balanced instead of one big 400 a week.. Is this not sensible? Also for a bit of convenience as the sustanon should be taken e3d as a minimum, due to the short acting ester(?) So it made sense to do them at the same time.
Also I thought the equipoise was a good idea due to the relatively low sides and the increased appetite.

Do you mean propionate in the EQ? There is in the sustanon 250 blend, 30/250 of the top of my head.

Sorry if I'm being a bit ignorant of the facts. Trying to piece it all together.

 

[digit0x]

Hey guys, been reading this forum a lot and decided to try and get some opinions. I know your all sticklers for honesty and detail so here goes..

I'm 25, been training on and off for about 5 years, more seriously the last 18 months. I'm 6ft and weigh 180lbs, pretty ripped up, low bf %.

Been finding it hard to gain weight, gained about 4kgs this year. Woo. Eating round 3000 calories a day with 200ish grams of protein training 5/6 times a week. And yes, I do lots of legs

So, debating starting my first cycle. Running:
Sustanon 250 and equipoise. I've heard good things about this stack, good size but still being ripped up.

I was thinking 10/12 weeks but can do longer if recommended.
250 Sus - e3d
200 EQ - e3d same needle.

Is Adex really necessary on this cycle? Or would you recommend just having it on hand to prevent possible moobs?

Pct I was thinking

3 weeks after last jab, clomid and nolvadex.

..I'm in no rush to start and want to get my cycle set in stone before I begin. I'm far from being an expert.
Also 'my guy' only has Sus + EQ available.

Thanks gents, John.

For sure not eating enough. 3k isn't enough for me to gain. Especially if you are spending a lot of time in the gym, are young, and or have high metabolism you really gotta eat 4k+. Test only with an Tbol (because I'm assuming you want to stay lean) will blow your mind.

 

[IJONOI]

Thanks for the info gents. Bit more research I reckon before I dive in head first. I'll give it a few months upping my calorie intake and see we're I'm at.

Thx again, peace

 

[Texas Monster]

First time newbie cycle.

Week 1-10 Test c 250 mg
Week 1-4 tbol 40mg
Week 1-4 N2gaurd
Week 5-8 HCgenerate
Week 9-12 HCG 500ius
Week 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg e3d

PCT Start week 13
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
PCT+unleashed
DAA
N2slin

 

[training700]

^^ thats a very good first cycle as well that would meet your goals.
You can use EQ to a first cycle if you wanted since is so mild. Maybe lower the test dose even.

 

[EZ_E]

EQ isn't "good for getting ripped" your cycle results depends on your diet and training...

Good, smart move holding off until the right time. With AAS it's better safe than sorry....

~EZ

 

[dylangemelli]

EQ isn't "good for getting ripped" your cycle results depends on your diet and training...

Good, smart move holding off until the right time. With AAS it's better safe than sorry....

~EZ

very well said my dude...

btw, i fucking love your sig quote bro... =)

 

[EZ_E]

very well said my dude...

btw, i fucking love your sig quote bro... =)

Tough love brotha

~EZ

 

[IJONOI]

ha well cheers gents

and thanks for the 1st cycle schedule mate. it's a bit over my head at the minute but I'm looking into it. gonna need a bit more detail on the individual bits.