First Cycle Plan. Please Tell Me What You Think

[Ziyon]

Hi guys. I'm 27, 6'2'', 185lbs and around 9% bodyfat. I've been lifting for a good 10 years. I will start my first cycle in a few weeks and I would like to know what you think of my plan. It goes like this:

Week 1-4 : Dbol @ 30mg / day
Week 1-10 : Test E @ 250mg twice a week (Monday and Thursday)
Week 1-12 : Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD
Week 4-12 : HCG @ 250iu twice per week (Tuesday and Friday)
Week 13-17 : Nolva @ 20/20/10/10/10

Sounds good for a first cycle? Thanks for your help!

 

[Ziyon]

bump please

 

[EZ_E]

How's your diet and training looking bossman?

And read this:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html


~EZ

 

[Ziyon]

My diet and training are in check no problems there. My diet consist of 4500 calories including egg whites, whole eggs, oatmeal, chicken, brown rice, veggies, tuna, bananas, ground beef, steak, salmon, pasta, sweet potatoes, water.

 

[d_rson]

Hi guys. I'm 27, 6'2'', 185lbs and around 9% bodyfat. I've been lifting for a good 10 years. I will start my first cycle in a few weeks and I would like to know what you think of my plan. It goes like this:

Week 1-4 : Dbol @ 30mg / day
Week 1-10 : Test E @ 250mg twice a week (Monday and Thursday)
Week 1-12 : Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD
Week 4-12 : HCG @ 250iu twice per week (Tuesday and Friday)
Week 13-17 : Nolva @ 20/20/10/10/10

Sounds good for a first cycle? Thanks for your help!

A basic resposible plan. I'd do 20mg dbol for your first time though, especially at 185lbs. Also, you want to start PCT at week 12, not 13. Also, I would not run arimidex that far toward PCT because of estrogen rebound. I would run aromasin in PCT to kill estro with no rebound, or you can switch to aromasin the whole cycle, I think it's slightly superior to adex.
Also PCT is very weak. You don't know how well you will recover, so make sure you run a really good PCT. Read Need2's post about Nolva and the serious sides it presents and decide if you really want to use nolva for anything but gyno prevention. HCGenerate, Unleased, Sustain Alpha, Post Cycle, Aromasin...All great in PCT.

 

[wootoom]

I would just stick to Test E at 250mg/ew for first cycle...welcome to the forum...PCT looks great what D-rson suggested.

 

[joe d]

Hi guys. I'm 27, 6'2'', 185lbs and around 9% bodyfat. I've been lifting for a good 10 years. I will start my first cycle in a few weeks and I would like to know what you think of my plan. It goes like this:

Week 1-4 : Dbol @ 30mg / day
Week 1-10 : Test E @ 250mg twice a week (Monday and Thursday)
Week 1-12 : Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD
Week 4-12 : HCG @ 250iu twice per week (Tuesday and Friday)
Week 13-17 : Nolva @ 20/20/10/10/10

Sounds good for a first cycle? Thanks for your help!

add 50mg clomid edc to the pct and unleashed to the cycle and pct

 

[Ziyon]

A basic resposible plan. I'd do 20mg dbol for your first time though, especially at 185lbs. Also, you want to start PCT at week 12, not 13. Also, I would not run arimidex that far toward PCT because of estrogen rebound. I would run aromasin in PCT to kill estro with no rebound, or you can switch to aromasin the whole cycle, I think it's slightly superior to adex.
Also PCT is very weak. You don't know how well you will recover, so make sure you run a really good PCT. Read Need2's post about Nolva and the serious sides it presents and decide if you really want to use nolva for anything but gyno prevention. HCGenerate, Unleased, Sustain Alpha, Post Cycle, Aromasin...All great in PCT.

Ok but I've seen everywhere that you should start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I've also been told to run Arimidex until week 12 to control estrogen after the 10 weeks of Test injection. So you think that's a bad idea?

 

[RADAR]

Ok but I've seen everywhere that you should start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I've also been told to run Arimidex until week 12 to control estrogen after the 10 weeks of Test injection. So you think that's a bad idea?

No it's perfectly fine!

 

[Ziyon]

No it's perfectly fine!

Lol ok good. But now I'm confused. You're telling me that it's fine but someone else is telling me that it's not. Hmmm which way to go? hehe

 

[stevesmi]

Lol ok good. But now I'm confused. You're telling me that it's fine but someone else is telling me that it's not. Hmmm which way to go? hehe

play it by ear. if you start noticing estrogen issues then start it.

you don't want to kill your estrogen though so dont go overboard and you dont want to have dry joints.

so just play it by ear and listen to your body.

 

[joe d]

your timing for pct is good.

 

[d_rson]

Ok but I've seen everywhere that you should start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I've also been told to run Arimidex until week 12 to control estrogen after the 10 weeks of Test injection. So you think that's a bad idea?

What it comes down to is personal preference. Radar knows his stuff - I'm a peon compared to him. But for me, arimidex causes an estrogen rebound, used it twice and both times I had to augment with another AI or anti-e after discontinuing. Now if you plan to stick with Nolva, then the estrogen rebound is not of any major worry. But again, for me, I would much rather use an AI that is more effectve at estrogen reduction and a true suicidal enhibitor (aromasin) with no estrogen rebound and use it during PCT because it also provides a profound test increase and IGF-1 increase. But in the end, either will work and do the job, just beware of the possible estrogen rebound.

As for PCT timing, there's a bunch of opinions. Start in the second week, or 10-14 days after injection, 2 weeks after, etc...But with PCT, I would err on the side of caution, especially with test e. Generally when pinning, you hit twice a week, and the second pin is in the middle of the week, not the end of the week. So even if you wait "two weeks since last inject" you'd still start in the middle of week 12. Waiting to week 13 is two and a half weeks since last inject. So for me IMHO, be safe, and start in week 12. And stop HCG in week 10.

 

[d_rson]

your timing for pct is good.

Joe D and Radar know their stuff, I don't want to sound like I think I am smarter then them. Everyone just has a slightly different opinion based on how their body works, and when it's all said and done, that's what you have to figure out. Your cycle is solid either way you go.

 

[Ziyon]

What it comes down to is personal preference. Radar knows his stuff - I'm a peon compared to him. But for me, arimidex causes an estrogen rebound, used it twice and both times I had to augment with another AI or anti-e after discontinuing. Now if you plan to stick with Nolva, then the estrogen rebound is not of any major worry. But again, for me, I would much rather use an AI that is more effectve at estrogen reduction and a true suicidal enhibitor (aromasin) with no estrogen rebound and use it during PCT because it also provides a profound test increase and IGF-1 increase. But in the end, either will work and do the job, just beware of the possible estrogen rebound.

As for PCT timing, there's a bunch of opinions. Start in the second week, or 10-14 days after injection, 2 weeks after, etc...But with PCT, I would err on the side of caution, especially with test e. Generally when pinning, you hit twice a week, and the second pin is in the middle of the week, not the end of the week. So even if you wait "two weeks since last inject" you'd still start in the middle of week 12. Waiting to week 13 is two and a half weeks since last inject. So for me IMHO, be safe, and start in week 12. And stop HCG in week 10.

Sounds good. So HCG week 4-10 thats ìt?