First Cycle...No its not for spring break.

[cityhick]

Alright guys. Just wanted to add something to my choices for first cycle. Here they are. Thanks to Indy, Radar, PJ, Mr. X. Slaugter....list is to long

1)1-10wk-500mgs of Test E
1-4 40Mgs of Tbol
wk11-20mg tbol
wk12-15mg tbol
wk13-10mg tbol
wk14-5mg tbol
.5mg Adex ED


2)Cycle 2
1-11wk 500mg test e

3)100mg prop and 250mg enanthate- Every 3 days.

PCT-same for both

Adex..5mg ed

1-3 wk- 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks.
1-6wk 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED

Stats... 19 Yo (spare the too young talk, its my decision)
193Lbs
Around 17% BF
1st cycle
Diet at about 2500 clean cals.
Cardio-Early morn runs on empty stomach 3 times a week. 20 Min walks at end of workout 2X a week

 

[sweed]

prob should start pct 7-10 days after last test injection. just run the tbol the first 6 weeks. everything else is good.. ya your 19, i was 22.. did a test cycle for first cycle and gained a very good amount last year.. good luck to ya

 

[Apexx]

I guess you're asking which one we'd pick right? I like the first one.

If u do decide to go with the 2nd option, run the prop eod instead of e3d. Also, do u plan on running the prop at the end as well?

 

[i am what i am]

Why in cycle one are you tapering off the tbol? If its your first cycle keep the test to 500 mg/ew for a minimum of 10 weeks. I like the idea of putting the tbol first 4 weeks and mg dosage looks good. I don't think you will need to re-run the tbol, especially tapering like that. Just my opinion though. And don't worry about the age thing, got that to when I started at 18. I know it is young, but hey, its my choice. Just do it right and you will be good to go.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

already answered this, but the thread was deleted.

100mg prop/250mg enanthate e3d

 

[Mr.X]

Alright guys. Just wanted to add something to my choices for first cycle. Here they are. Thanks to Indy, Radar, PJ, Mr. X. Slaugter....list is to long

1)1-10wk-500mgs of Test E
1-4 40Mgs of Tbol
wk11-20mg tbol
wk12-15mg tbol
wk13-10mg tbol
wk14-5mg tbol
.5mg Adex ED


2)Cycle 2
1-11wk 500mg test e

3)100mg prop and 250mg enanthate- Every 3 days.

PCT-same for both

Adex..5mg ed

1-3 wk- 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks.
1-6wk 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED

Stats... 19 Yo (spare the too young talk, its my decision)
193Lbs
Around 17% BF
1st cycle
Diet at about 2500 clean cals.
Cardio-Early morn runs on empty stomach 3 times a week. 20 Min walks at end of workout 2X a week

Mr. X you think I should just run 500mg of test e for 11wk......That is still an option in my mind.

you asked me that in your last post
here is my answer: YES run the straight test cycle
test + arimidex

 

[cityhick]

I am thinking of running Prop the first 5 Weeks and then maybe just going to 500mgs of test E for the next 11. Thanks for the info. I dont know as much about choice 3 as it was just brought up. I would like to jump start my cycle. But I dont feel that I have to. It was just an option. Just let me know what you would do.

 

[cityhick]

I deleted it to add your opinions bbecause i thought they were good ideas and wanted more input on them. Just trying to get the most outta this.

 

[Mr.X]

I am thinking of running Prop the first 5 Weeks and then maybe just going to 500mgs of test E for the next 11. Thanks for the info. I dont know as much about choice 3 as it was just brought up. I would like to jump start my cycle. But I dont feel that I have to. It was just an option. Just let me know what you would do.

You don't need the prop. Just run a straight test cycle with a longer-ester test like cyp or enan, you'll do well. Don't overcomplicate things bro.

 

[|3ossman]

^ I second that!

test + adex

if you get bad testicular atrophy by week 5 (you most likely wont, but it hits some hard) run hcg @ 500iu for like 7-10 days, thatll perk them right back up.

pct looks great...except the clomid, i hate the stuff and it has some bad sides(like vision problems and shit), i would only run it for the first 3 weeks, stick to nolva only for the last 3.
also start your pct a couple days after your last injection on enanthate.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

You don't need the prop. Just run a straight test cycle with a longer-ester test like cyp or enan, you'll do well. Don't overcomplicate things bro.

disagree.

prop/enanthate provides better plasma T levels than enanthate alone. its not really complicated to take 1 or 2 cc's of prop(50/100mg/cc) with 1 cc of enanthate e3d.

it should be run that way throughout, not as a "jumpstart".

 

[cityhick]

Just askin. All good info. Keep it comming.

 

[Mr.X]

prop/enanthate provides better plasma T levels than enanthate alone. its not really complicated to take 1 or 2 cc's of prop(50/100mg/cc) with 1 cc of enanthate e3d.

500mgs of enan , 2x/wk , mon and thur, his blood levels of test will be fine.

For newbies, combining products and timing them is complex. It's his first cycle, so he will have some troubles just figuring out the CC/ML levels on the syringe - most users do.

 

[jmt24]

what up city. id go with just 10 weeks of test e and thats it. do you have all of the other compounds or is that just your options. if you have them, id save the prop and tbol for a second cycle. id take adex, .50mg ed. and id save the hcg for the last 3 weeks until pct and then start novaldex.

 

[cityhick]

I dont think i will have a problem with measurements with a syringe. Its pretty easy if you have taken a basic Chem/Math class.

 

[Stacemranger]

X is not saying you're dumb. He's saying just keep it simple the first time out and things will go easier. This is something totally new to you.

 

[Mr.X]

I dont think i will have a problem with measurements with a syringe. Its pretty easy if you have taken a basic Chem/Math class.

It's not about how much measuring skills you have bro. Simply put, newbies should follow the KISS priciple.

KISS = keep it simple stupid

The more complex the cycle, the more problems you are bound to encounter.

 

[cityhick]

Fuck it. I am going witht the 500 mg a week of Test E. 10 Weeks. Mon thurs 250. I wanna see how my body does with plain ol test. And then I will add the TBol next one. That was I can have something to compare to. Its just funny all this research and its what I have came up with. Oh well learning all this will be hopeful in the future and is just good to know. Should I change anything with the PCT?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The more complex the cycle, the more problems you are bound to encounter.

prop and enanthate is not complex, and with it you are less likely to experience troughs in Plasma testosterone. You are less likely to have issues with a prop/enanthate stack than enanthate alone.

 

[UA_Iron]

Test @ 500mg/week
Adex @ 0.5mg/eod or ed (bump it up to 1mg/day if estro sides get bad)
Nolva @ 40mg/day 10 days after last test E shot for 10 days
Nolva @ 20mg/day for remaining 20 days

if you have prop on hand you can run it for the end of your cycle like this:

1-10 test E
9-12 test prop

so that the long ester is completely cleared before starting pct. This will avoid the slope into catabolism.

I think finishing off with an oral is the best though. Dbol would be a good one.

 

[Mr.X]

Fuck it. I am going witht the 500 mg a week of Test E. 10 Weeks. Mon thurs 250. I wanna see how my body does with plain ol test. And then I will add the TBol next one. That was I can have something to compare to. Its just funny all this research and its what I have came up with. Oh well learning all this will be hopeful in the future and is just good to know. Should I change anything with the PCT?

Your PCT is fine.

 

[Mr.X]

prop and enanthate is not complex, and with it you are less likely to experience troughs in Plasma testosterone. You are less likely to have issues with a prop/enanthate stack than enanthate alone.

Actually, with the 2 compounds stacked, he's taking in more gear mg for mg. He'll have more estrogenic sides.

There is no need for him to stack the 2 together, he'll do just fine with test enan or cyp as his first cycle. Too many newbies fall into the trap of "stacking", when it's unnecessary. If you want to add prop on your first cycle, sust250 2x/week, all the test esters you can handle.