First cycle, need some input

[healthfrk76]

alright im looking at running my first cycle, but i want to make sure its done right.

wk 1-4: 40mg/day D-bol
wk 1-8: 250mg/ml Deca
wk 1-8: 250mg/ml Test Sust
wk 7-10: 50mg/day Winstrol
wk 1-10: 20mg/day Nolvadex
wk 11-14 50mg/day Clomid

i know the deca and test might seem low, but considering it is my frist cycle i dont see a point in running anything more than 300mg/ml a week. also would test enthate be a better choice? from research as i understand it sust is more tollerable. anyone got any thoughts?

my specs are age:21 5'9" 190lb and about 10-12%bf.

 

[anthony518]

looks good. get rid of the nolva and use it postcycle. push it to at least 12 weeks, the whole cycle. then on week 14 start post cycle 100clom/40nolva 2 weeks and then 50/20 for 4 weeks. I always use hcg. If you can get it. if not you should be fine. Just a little FYI post cycle is just as important as the cycle itself. Why do all the work and lose 40% when you only have to lose 10%, just estimating loss of gains, from my experience. I like sust better then enan. I have gains of 20lbs and and huge strength gains on just 250mg sust weekly. If you can bump that deca up a little bit maybe 300mg weekly I think you will be very happy. Also have had great gains for deca at this dose. If you are wanting something to take during the cycle for gyno and water retention, try AIFM I just got a bottle of it for myself. I have never used it, but heard wonderful things about it. Try it.

 

[anthony518]

the winny might be a waste of money. You are going to have a very round look to you. The gains will "puff" you up alittle. I think the winny will not really be use to its full potential. Winny seems kind of expensive. If you want to cut at the end and use the winny, diet really good the whole time on and try some clen with it. Then you maybe be able to have some more solid hard gains. You bf is right where it needs to be, so you may not have a problem with too much fat gains.

 

[healthfrk76]

thanks bro, i was runnin the nolvadex just to prevent any gyno or sides during the cycle. do you think i would be fine without it during the cycle? i know the drugs im using are not highly aromatizing and are low dosages but i just wanna be safe with it. i dont know much about AIFM. i threw the winny in there just to harden gains at the end, the whole cutting aspect of aas is vague to me as well. it is very expensive so i wouldnt mind cutting it out if its not gonna do me much. appreciate the info man

 

[the_clockwork]

alright im looking at running my first cycle, but i want to make sure its done right.

wk 1-4: 40mg/day D-bol
wk 1-8: 250mg/ml Deca
wk 1-8: 250mg/ml Test Sust
wk 7-10: 50mg/day Winstrol
wk 1-10: 20mg/day Nolvadex
wk 11-14 50mg/day Clomid

i know the deca and test might seem low, but considering it is my frist cycle i dont see a point in running anything more than 300mg/ml a week. also would test enthate be a better choice? from research as i understand it sust is more tollerable. anyone got any thoughts?

my specs are age:21 5'9" 190lb and about 10-12%bf.

You are running too many steroids for your first time. Nolva week 1-10 should not be taken everyday, save it and take it if you start getting sides. I would drop the D-bol, no need to jump start your first cycle. I'd also lose the Winny.

Take your cycle and extend it another 6 weeks and run 500mg Test and 250 or deca, if you don't think that's enough you could do more but keep the test levels above deca.

Test is test is test, so use whichever you have, if you get good results keep it, if you want to try a different one, no saying w/o experimenting w/ it w/ your own body. I personally got WAY better gains off prop than sust.

I would definately not stop at 10 weeks though.. Just my 2 cents

 

[Bourget]

The vets on this board recommended that I run only Test E for my first cycle. I was anxious and wanted to run as many as you do. It turned out to be good advice as I was able to see just how my body reacted to each compound as I later added one by one.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

the winny might be a waste of money. You are going to have a very round look to you. The gains will "puff" you up alittle. I think the winny will not really be use to its full potential. Winny seems kind of expensive. If you want to cut at the end and use the winny, diet really good the whole time on and try some clen with it. Then you maybe be able to have some more solid hard gains. You bf is right where it needs to be, so you may not have a problem with too much fat gains.

Why do you think he's going to have "a round look"? At the doses he's talking about he's going to be fine. Also, I would up the dose on the winny - and no, winny is not a waste of money or expensive. It's less than half the cost of var. Take anthony's advice regarding the nolva though. Never take nolva with deca.

 

[Bruce]

way too many steroids for your first time. i reccomend you do one of two things
a. 400-500mg test e 1-12
25mg dbols 1-4

or
b. 250mg test e 1-14
400mg eq 1-14
25mg dbols 1-4

 

[CO B-man]

Not enough time between orals but not a bad cycle. I wonder why you went with sustanon being it is your first cycle. How often do you plan on injecting the sus? Also I personally think that its too short by 2-4 weeks. Thats just my opinion

 

[Bruce]

you need to get a feel for steroids before you start mixing them. keep it simple bro. do not use sust, it is not really a good bodybuilding testosterone, you have to inject it eod for proper results but even then you are not utilizing all the esters and some stay longer than you want. go with cyp or enth for a long ester or prop. start a a low dose of anything you try and see how you grow. guys use way too high of doses today. if you want to go with winny thats fine but don't use that and dbol, its a bad decision

 

[healthfrk76]

alright, i like all the input and it makes alot of sense what you guys are saying. i actually considered Eq. but decided to go with deca. from what everyone has said i should just stick to two steroids for this first one.
wk 1-4: 40mg-d-bol
wk 1-12: 300mg/ml-test E

wk 1-12: 250mg/ml-deca
wk 1-12: 300ml/ml-test E

wk 1-12 300mg/ml Eq.
wk 1-12 300mg/ml test E

nolva and pct at end

which one would be the best bet, i just took what everyone thought and tried to see what would work best. i could also add winny to the end of any of these.

 

[Bruce]

eq cause deca will make your limp dick very possibly and it takes a long time to clear. eq will do great i love it, deca fucked me up bad

 

[anthony518]

EQ is good too. I like it better then the deca. IMO, I think you will end up with a rounded look, rather then a hard veining look, on the sust/d-bol/deca cycle. I don't think the winny would be worth the money IMO. Unless you start cutting right after the d-bol, with something like T3 or clen.

wk 1-12 300mg/ml Eq.
wk 1-12 300mg/ml test

This looks good. But for your first cycle I would take an oral. On this cycle You are not going to see gains for at least 3-4 weeks. And the eq does start to kick in till week 6-7, in my experience. You may get impatient and not really enjoy the cycle. Do the sust, and start with the d-bol. Do either eq, or deca. Eq doesn't give me the same gains as the deca. Not as much size or strength. I would cycle this

Week1-12 sust 250mg/weekly
week1-12 Eq 400mg weekly
week1-4 30mg d-bol ed
week14-15 nolva40/clomid100ED
week16-19 nolva20/clomid50ED

I beat you'll love it. I beat you get great gains. I used to do cycles like this when I first started and I really responded well to sust, eq, deca, and d-bol. I used enan500mg weekly and 400mg eq weekly for 15 weeks. Didn't really ever feel like I was on a real cycle, liked the cutting effects I got from it, but it never really got that strong and it played a major effect in my training. I think you should use chemicals like the sust and d-bol to really have a good first cycle.

 

[niv]

what happend to 500mg test only first cycle to see how you react.. i think its the smartest thing for a first cycle.. save the deca for later..

 

[Selene]

You are running too many steroids for your first time. Nolva week 1-10 should not be taken everyday, save it and take it if you start getting sides. I would drop the D-bol, no need to jump start your first cycle. I'd also lose the Winny.

Take your cycle and extend it another 6 weeks and run 500mg Test and 250 or deca, if you don't think that's enough you could do more but keep the test levels above deca.

Test is test is test, so use whichever you have, if you get good results keep it, if you want to try a different one, no saying w/o experimenting w/ it w/ your own body. I personally got WAY better gains off prop than sust.

I would definately not stop at 10 weeks though.. Just my 2 cents

I agree with you, more is not always better, keeping simple expecially the first time so you can view how your body react.

good luck with your cycle

 

[healthfrk76]

alright i think im just going to keep it simple. that seems to be the idea of most. i appreciate all the help guys. test and possibly d-bol will most likey be this first one. i have a friend who is on d-bol and sust and has blown up 15 pounds in just 4 weeks. i have one more question, test E or test Sust? this one i have been going back and forth over.

 

[anthony518]

i like sust. More kick to it. IMO

 

[SpyWizard]

You are running too many steroids for your first time. Nolva week 1-10 should not be taken everyday, save it and take it if you start getting sides. I would drop the D-bol, no need to jump start your first cycle. I'd also lose the Winny.

Take your cycle and extend it another 6 weeks and run 500mg Test and 250 or deca, if you don't think that's enough you could do more but keep the test levels above deca.

Test is test is test, so use whichever you have, if you get good results keep it, if you want to try a different one, no saying w/o experimenting w/ it w/ your own body. I personally got WAY better gains off prop than sust.

I would definately not stop at 10 weeks though.. Just my 2 cents

thanks for typing all that out for me..

what you have is a 2 or even 3rd cycle there.. move it to 14 weeks, or 12 weeks to be safer..

good luck

 

[Nelson Montana]

you need to get a feel for steroids before you start mixing them. keep it simple bro.

Yes! You need to get a feel for steroids. Perfect.

Everybody thinks they're so "advanced" by taking all these combos when they don't even know what is doing what. Damn, a first timer can take 25 mgs of d-bol and grow. A d-bol pump is like nothing else. Then you may want to try a mild injectable like Primo. See what that does. Nice mellow gains without sides. Then a low dose test. Feel it peak and subside. Make the most of it.

All this fancy stacking is nonsense. Amateurs trying to act like pros. That's like putting rocket fuel in a Hugo. Come to think of it, most pros don't even get that fancy. Arnold liked Primo and d-bol. Draper liked just winstrol. Even Dorian was known to just use lots of test.

First timers need to do less evaluating of magical combinations and more eating and more lifting.

 

[healthfrk76]

thanks bro, always appreciate the in put!