First Cycle - need opinions/help

[r1ck]

Hello I have a couple of questions.
I’m 24 years old, been training for 4 years on and off because I go out of town.
I’m 5’9 ½ I started at 125 lbs today I am 145 lbs 13% BF, I’m kind of an ectomorph.
I eat around 3000 calories a day 5/6/7 meals a day, my goal is to put a 15 to 30 lbs of mass, then cut it later on. I’ve never done a cycle in my life.
I have puffy nips from puberty, the puffiness goes away when I’m cold. So I want a cycle that won’t aggravate it, I’m also prone to hair lost since I’m very young. So I guess a good pct to prevent gyno+hair lost. I’m not ready for a cycle so this is why I’m asking some questions on how I should run my cycle and pct.

I was thinking of these cycles
1.
Week 1 - 4 Tbol x 40mg/day
Week 1 - 10 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Nolvadex x 50mg/day
Week 14-15 Nolvadex x 25mg/day
or
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

2.
Week 1-8 Deca x 250mg/week
Week 1-9 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

3. Mix Test With EQ?

I don’t want dbol for its crazy sides since I’m puffy puberty already / maybe var instead of tbol


Should I put armidex or Primobolan for hair lost?
Well that’s it. Please feel free to help
Thanks this is a pic last september

http://membres.lycos.fr/rick0806/Workout/workout01.jpg

 

[immortalis]

I never recommend a person using gear for the first time using more than 1 compound. You have no idea how your body is going to react to 1 steroid, much less multiples.

500mgs of test per week is going to be plenty for you to see some solid gains as long as your diet is as in check as you imply. If you already consume that many calories, try upping it if you can. You gotta eat big to get big.... along with sleeping and training big as well.

Thats just my own opinion. Im glad you already have Nolva planned because if you already have some puffy nips, you are probably going to be prone to gyno and Nolva should help you keep that at bay.

Im sure someone else will chime in here with some more specific information for you.

 

[r1ck]

I never recommend a person using gear for the first time using more than 1 compound. You have no idea how your body is going to react to 1 steroid, much less multiples.

500mgs of test per week is going to be plenty for you to see some solid gains as long as your diet is as in check as you imply.

i agree, thanks
500 test would be prolly enough

 

[tiggerizme]

Definitely, Keep it simple, you get big in the Kitchen first.. You have to dial in a diet and make it a regular for yourself.. Once this is accomplished get a good workout going for yourself. you'll see that with your diet you will grow.. Once you get to a point where you think you would beneft more from AAS take a Test E 500mg/wk cycle for 10-12 wks.. You will see a huge gain of mass.. Take it simple though. Don't complicate your first cycle.. Pop the cherry easy.. LOL..

 

[Bruce]

at 145 bro all that matters is your diet. 5000 cals and 300g of protein and you will grow. if you are 5 10 or more you can put on another 40 lbs for sure with food the most anabolic theing there is. i was exactly like you 6 3 145 excatly, was 125 as a college frosh. i got up to 165 on my first cycle which was not needed, i just needed to learn how to eat. i got up to 172 after another quick cycle. i'm up to 185 and its all been natty. i realized that diet is all that matters. i put on weight quicker eating 5000 cals and 300g protein daily then when i was on aas only takin in 300cals. really wish i would have known how to eat and was starting my cycles now with all the knowledge i have. a lot of dudes say they eat 5000 as an excuse to start aas but you will grow if you eat like that no doubt. its hard to do i'm not gonna lie but you will fuckin grow. judging by your pic you need a more solid base before starting. then run 500mg of test e for 12 weeks and kickstart it with tbol, the best oral there is for an ecto who doesn't want sides.

 

[IronChin]

D-bol- Sust.... then post an after pic .... would like to see your results....good luck...

 

[r1ck]

at 145 bro all that matters is your diet. 5000 cals and 300g of protein and you will grow. if you are 5 10 or more you can put on another 40 lbs for sure with food the most anabolic theing there is. i was exactly like you 6 3 145 excatly, was 125 as a college frosh. i got up to 165 on my first cycle which was not needed, i just needed to learn how to eat. i got up to 172 after another quick cycle. i'm up to 185 and its all been natty. i realized that diet is all that matters. i put on weight quicker eating 5000 cals and 300g protein daily then when i was on aas only takin in 300cals. really wish i would have known how to eat and was starting my cycles now with all the knowledge i have. a lot of dudes say they eat 5000 as an excuse to start aas but you will grow if you eat like that no doubt. its hard to do i'm not gonna lie but you will fuckin grow. judging by your pic you need a more solid base before starting. then run 500mg of test e for 12 weeks and kickstart it with tbol, the best oral there is for an ecto who doesn't want sides.

hehe 5000 cals 300 prot at 5'9 145lbs that’s crazy, when working + school its hard to eat every hour, i eat right now at every 3 hours with a good 25 to 40g of prot with good starch carbs, in the morning and before sleep i take some flax oil for the good fatty’s,
i always eat the same stuff whey,mrp,eggs,tuna,chicken,salmon,oat,rice,potatoes,banane,bars u know etc... but 5000 cals thats crazy that would make me more fat than anything prolly
i would take some aas just for an extra 20 lbs and thats it, not anything to become super extra big,
is test the best solution for someone with gyno(puffy from puberty) and hair loss prone, armidex + nolvadex while on test and clomid after cycle?
what would be the best pct if test would be ran with those criteria
i will up my calls to 3500 for this week and see how much lbm i gain then try 4000 next week

r1ck

 

[drrman]

you say you have been training 4 years and only weight 145 bro......not knocking you but you need to learn a lot more about nutrition and training before going on juice......and those that know me know i don't say this often as i think it is a great thing getting juiced up and feeling great and looking great....but at 145 bro.....you have no business getting on the juice yet my friend

 

[r1ck]

hehe i was 120-130 all my life
im now 150 today with gym+diet
ectomorph dont have genetics like most do
some grow while doing nothing i need to work very hard
i do compound exercices and eat very well, i find it funny when people say cuz im only 145 it means nothing to them when most guys were 230 already fat and stuff.
at 5'9 and being an ectomorph i think its good at 150
most 5'9 not ectomoprh are 190 and 200 lbs and fat
or just plain normal at 160 175 while never went in a gym
its not my fault if i dont grow, i eat like a pig and i know how to workout in gym
i have all it takes motivation, supplement etc..
anyways i never get the answers i need

 

[drrman]

hehe i was 120-130 all my life
im now 150 today with gym+diet
ectomorph dont have genetics like most do
some grow while doing nothing i need to work very hard
i do compound exercices and eat very well, i find it funny when people say cuz im only 145 it means nothing to them when most guys were 230 already fat and stuff.
at 5'9 and being an ectomorph i think its good at 150
most 5'9 not ectomoprh are 190 and 200 lbs and fat
or just plain normal at 160 175 while never went in a gym
its not my fault if i dont grow, i eat like a pig and i know how to workout in gym
i have all it takes motivation, supplement etc..
anyways i never get the answers i need

bro...you said you were 145.....now....145 at 13%BF isn't anything impressive at all my friend.....i truly find it hard to believe you are busting your ass in they gym and eating excessively....if you say you don't grow...eat MORE bro...the reason some guys at 220-230 are a little fatty as they have figured out it takes eating like HELL to put on the muscle and with that sometimes comes some fat....which you shed off later on bro....very few can grow big and stay ripped at the same time.

I think you should get you some weight gainer shakes and turn your calories up to 4000-5000.....and you think you are eating a lot, but i'd bet if you itemize EVERYTHING you eat all day you will see you aren't eating as much as you think.

145 is just way too small to be starting steroids bro.......but if you insist on doing it and im sure you probably will im sure someone will recommend you a cycle.....although i just can't think of a cycle i would recommend to someone that small.........you also need to think about the crash you are gonna experience when you come off......if you eat and train like you say you do and still dont' grow i think you will have a VERY tough time keeping your gains from juice.....