where the test at??? do the tried and true no bells and whistles 500mg test e,c, sus whatever with dbol 50mg first 4-5 weeks...... you may peoples posts here and like their results they make have tried many cycles to find what works, i wouldnt read the profile for each compound and pick what you picture your physique to look like based on those words..... do whats proven, test as a base, and go from there.... deca dont work for me, brings me the titties and no results, eq made me hungry but not much else to speak of, but anadrol puts size on me like stackin on plates... noticible size within 2 days, and ot that fat faced bullshit either, but some it does nothing for..... but test works for us all, thats what its all about so why leave it out???? fuk it just do test and you'll be over the moon with your results. baby steps first bro