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First Cycle... Need good advice!!! Part 2

BigGuyPHX

BigGuyPHX

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Njmuscleguy, Skinnyarms, Bigcracker, xrsist and other bros! Thanks for taking the time and sharing your knowledge!!!
Thanks bros! The more you fight the more we learn;)

I see a lot of you are against my idea of a 6 week cycle and lean more to 8 10 or 12 week cycles. I think that I will plan for an 8 week cycle and after week 8 I am feeling great and things are going very well or little or no sides then I may go to week 10 or 12.

Skinnyarms had a good point...(I think???)
Originally Posted by Skinnyarms
"Stick with the testosterone propionate, you will see gains from it faster and if you experience any side effects from it you can discontinue and it will be out of your system alot faster, I am very sensitive to drugs myself, and can level with you, the problem some find with testosterone enanthate is it takes a while for the blood concentrations to reach a efficient peak and by that time you may be experiencing some serious side effects, dont make your first cycle your most unpleasant one"

QUESTION?
What do you bros think about testosterone propionate 250 to 300mg 8 to 12 week cycle? PLEASE remember is my first cycle!!!
Stats: 35years young 5' 10'' 215 pound EASY gainer(don’t be hate’in). Lean but not shredded. I normally train HARD 6 weeks on and 1 week off. Diet 300 to 400gm of protein a day with 6 to 8 meals of GOOD bodybuilding foods. My diet is perfect for mass building. Sleep 8 hours avg. Drink gallon+ water per day. Sensitive to Rx and supplements in the past.(Both Good and Bad reactions)

NEXT…
I like what Skinnyarms said about "if you experience any side effects from it you can discontinue and it will be out of your system alot faster" but Bigcracker's post really put a warning fire under my ass about abcess...
“I respectfully disagree. The extra injections needed to keep blood levels stable with testosterone propionate will increase the risks of an abcess. All things considered, like being new to AS, inexperienced w/ giving injections, etc is not the time to play human pin cushion.”

QUESTION?
A low mg cycle like 250 to 300mg per week, could I do EOD injections of testosterone propionate and would that not greatly lower risk of abcess and still maintain stable blood levels? The way I understand blood levels and ED or EOD injections is like peaks and drops, so the higher the mg per injection and doing a EOD injection blood levels drop so stable blood levels can not be obtained. Now on the other hand low mg per injection EOD the rise and drop will be far less drastic and blood levels won’t be such a problem factor. (Is this the right school of thought or did I just open a can of worms? Be nice bros I’m trying to catch up with the rest of the class!)

LAST QUESTION?
PCT… If I run 250 to 300mg per week of testosterone propionate for 8 to 12 weeks, what would be the “Right” meds, dose, and time to complete my PCT? Also Njmuscleguy made reference to keep a few things on hand incase shit happens type meds. What would these be and why?
PCT is where a lot of different ideas were launched but no exact mgs or days on meds were recommended. Please bros I want to run safe and keep most gains after cycle.

Thanks again! This post should be great info for a lot of first cycle bros or guys that screwed up in the past and want to try again.

Thanks
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!!! :chomp:
 
forget prop for your first cycle bro, stick with enath or cyp at 250-300mg a week for 10 weeks. have an AI like adex on hand in case of sides. for your pct run clomid at 50mg ED 2 weeks after your last shot of test. make sure your diet and training is in check and you should do fine.
 
I doubt you'll have to worry much about "serious" side effects while running test... so going with a longer ester like enth or cyp shouldn't be a problem. Now if down the road you were considering something much stronger like tren, we'd suggest going with the shorter ester (ace) instead of the longer.... if it was giving you serious sides, you'd want that out of your system much faster than test. No sense in turning yourself into a pin cushion for your very first cycle. Twice a week and your blood levels should be fairly stable.

As for what to keep on-hand, you should always have an A I (aro-masin or ari-midex)... for a light cycle of low-dose test, you may not even need it... but if you discover mid-cycle that you're sensitive to estrogen, you'll be glad you have the A I on-hand.

P C T: A popular "standard" protocol is clo-mid, 50mg ED for 4-6 weeks. If your balls shrink considerably (which you probably won't have a problem with if you do a low-dose test cycle), H C G at 500iu ED for 10 days at end of the cycle will do you good. Some people like no-lvadex as an alternative to clo-mid... 20mg ED for 4-6 weeks. Finally, as a "more natural" alternative, you can run something like Dermacrine Sustain for 4-6 weeks instead of clo-mid or no-lva. I also like to throw in some OTC stuff like creatine, stimulants, or test-boosters.
 
the advice here is very good. as a 1st cycle keep it simple Test E or Cyp would be my choice. 1 stick per week..less complications.
Eat right, train hard don't dwell too much on side effects look for the positives and have fun
 
njmuscleguy said:
I doubt you'll have to worry much about "serious" side effects while running test... so going with a longer ester like testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate shouldn't be a problem. Now if down the road you were considering something much stronger like trenbolone, we'd suggest going with the shorter ester (ace) instead of the longer.... if it was giving you serious sides, you'd want that out of your system much faster than test. No sense in turning yourself into a pin cushion for your very first cycle. Twice a week and your blood levels should be fairly stable.

As for what to keep on-hand, you should always have an A I (aro-masin or ari-midex)... for a light cycle of low-dose test, you may not even need it... but if you discover mid-cycle that you're sensitive to estrogen, you'll be glad you have the A I on-hand.

P C T: A popular "standard" protocol is clo-mid, 50mg ED for 4-6 weeks. If your balls shrink considerably (which you probably won't have a problem with if you do a low-dose test cycle), H C G at 500iu ED for 10 days at end of the cycle will do you good. Some people like no-lvadex as an alternative to clo-mid... 20mg ED for 4-6 weeks. Finally, as a "more natural" alternative, you can run something like Dermacrine Sustain for 4-6 weeks instead of clo-mid or no-lva. I also like to throw in some OTC stuff like creatine, stimulants, or test-boosters.
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very well said bro, excellent info once again
 
Thanks this is the kind of info I'm looking for! I have been reading for months all the "tech" type info but its the real world stuff you guys share that put it all together. I skim the other posts every day and learn something new and build a more complete understanding of gear.
Thanks again bros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!!!
 
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