First cycle (need advice of course)

[ximor]

Im getting ready for my first cycle but im stunted on which to go for. Same as just about everyone im looking for more mass increases then anything. Im loath to do injectables but apparently the orals are a bit more toxic to the liver than i would prefer. All being said im wondering what the best juicing minds in the world would recommend.

Im sure to get a million unuseful answers, but id love some valuable input from some of the more helpful peeps here like layinback or omega, just something useful

 

[ximor]

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - advice would be wonderful too

 

[holy ghost]

hyp1 will help you

 

[puddlemonkey]

layinback can be found trolling C&C right now, I just saw him post. He's the one wearing the rainbow colored fanny pack.

 

[layinback]

Im getting ready for my first cycle but im stunted on which to go for. Same as just about everyone im looking for more mass increases then anything. Im loath to do injectables but apparently the orals are a bit more toxic to the liver than i would prefer. All being said im wondering what the best juicing minds in the world would recommend.

Im sure to get a million unuseful answers, but id love some valuable input from some of the more helpful peeps here like layinback or omega, just something useful

thanks for the compliment but i am far from being an expert. lots of bros on here no more than me. post your stats and hyp, holy ghost and a dozen other will give you advice. some will be conflicting but you will get a rough idea of where to start. me, im old school. if you are of age and have your training and diet right I'd say sumthin like test 250 - 400 wk for 10 weeks with dbol 25- 30 mg ed first 4 weeks. i keep it pretty simple but that will "BULK" YOUR ASS UP , first time around. these guys will help you with your cycle and pct after you post stats and they are satisfied you aint a kid or a novice lookin for instant muscles.

 

[layinback]

layinback can be found trolling C&C right now, I just saw him post. He's the one wearing the rainbow colored fanny pack.

if puddle monkey pm's you and says, " send me pics of your cock, it is mandatory on ef" report his faggot ass to a mod. he will promise you free roids and cocaine....it is a trick.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Stats are a must. Unless you're a real hard gainer most n00bs can benefit greatly from a test only cycle, enanthate or cypionate for bulk, possibly sustanon. Personally I'd save the orals for a later date and see how your body reacts to the one compound. Throw too much in at once and if you're having issues it can be difficult to determine where they originate.

 

[puddlemonkey]

if puddle monkey pm's you and says, " send me pics of your cock, it is mandatory on ef" report his faggot ass to a mod. he will promise you free steroids and cocaine....it is a trick.

You're just mad cause you fell for it.

 

[layinback]

You're just mad cause you fell for it.

lolololol

 

[ximor]

26 years old, 6'2
Im not near as experienced as most of the others here but ive been working out for over a year now. I bench 260, squat 375
Im sure its a little early in the game to jump ship to juice but im still just laying the foundation for what ill do when the time has come.

"if you are of age and have your training and diet right I'd say sumthin like test 250 - 400 wk for 10 weeks with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 25- 30 mg ed first 4 weeks."
--my thoughts exactly on the test. Ive heard conflicting views that i should use only one compound my first cycle to better ascertain the effects of each so im loath to pursue stacking with dianabol.

 

[ximor]

A little info on my diet layinback. Im currently weighing 175 taking in 3500 (straining for 4000).


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[puddlemonkey]

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[puddlemonkey]

6'2" 175? Maybe a little dianabol wont hurt.

 

[puddlemonkey]

layinback will be here in a few, he's cleaning out his colostomy bag.

 

[layinback]

layinback will be here in a few, he's cleaning out his colostomy bag.

yeah, my bag got a hole in it boy that open bowel shit stiiiinks. puddle check out the thread " what do you guys drink" post something crazy in it. check out my post.

 

[puddlemonkey]

puddle check out the thread " what do you guys drink" post something crazy in it. check out my post.

I'll have to do so fast, my vicodin is kicking in and I'm about 30 seconds away from drooling on my pillow.

 

[layinback]

A little info on my diet layinback. Im currently weighing 175 taking in 3500 (straining for 4000).


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dude i am a big proponent of K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid. hyp and some of the other guys are gonna kill me but this is what i say:

week 1 - 10 test cyp or E 250 - 400 mg ew
week 1 - 4 dbol 25 - 30 mg ed

talk to these guys bout pct cuz i would just say have ai and nolva on hand and do nolva at 20 mg 2 weeks after your last shot run it for 4 weeks or clomid 50 mg for 4 weeks.

 

[socket]

you're really light at 175 - 6'2". you need to get your calories up firstly. Are you gaining weight now at the gym still? or have you reached a point where your gains have stopped?

if you are still gaining weight, keep with the same formula, it's working. If you are not gaining weight, you need to analyse your diet to find out why.

When you are ready for some juice (and i dont think you are yet), 10 wks of sustanon 250, at 1ml per week will give you great gains, assuming your diet is right. DIET is critical, get it wrong, and you will not grow.

 

[rambleon]

you're really light at 175 - 6'2". you need to get your calories up firstly. Are you gaining weight now at the gym still? or have you reached a point where your gains have stopped?

if you are still gaining weight, keep with the same formula, it's working. If you are not gaining weight, you need to analyse your diet to find out why.

When you are ready for some juice (and i dont think you are yet), 10 wks of sustanon 250, at 1ml per week will give you great gains, assuming your diet is right. DIET is critical, get it wrong, and you will not grow.

agreed. i do think a single ester would do fine tho:
1-10 Test e 250mg ew.

Leave the dbol for ur second run. Hey Layinback howcome u recommend stacking for a firsttimer? Never seen u do that before.

 

[layinback]

agreed. i do think a single ester would do fine tho:
1-10 testosterone enanthate 250mg ew.

Leave the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for ur second run. Hey Layinback howcome u recommend stacking for a firsttimer? Never seen u do that before.

i think dbol in low dose is fine. for many years thats what everybody did. you guys are right, one chemical for first cycle is best ,......but man o man that dbol kicker really boost strength quick and helps gains. in my defense i recommended 25 to 30 mg, pretty innocuous dose.

 

[hyp1]

actually for a first cycle I recommend injecting 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week(yeah,so what you're scared shitless of needles.....that's something you're going to have to overcome,bro....no offense.)if you increase your caloric intake and protein intake(protein especially to 2 grams per pound of your bodyweight,which half can be consumed in protein shake form)train hard,and get plenty of rest and it will blow your fucking mind how much you can grow and the strength that can be attained at only 250mgs a week.

sticking with one compound would be best imo,you don't even know how you will respond to gear in general,whether you're prone to gear induced hair loss,acne and or gyno.if you do have sides then you will know exactly what is causing them and can respond immediately.

save the dianabol for the second and third cycles.I see nothing wrong with 'kickstarting' a second or third cycle with dianabol(as a matter of fact I'm doing that now,but have ran shit loads of cycles).........but get at least one cycle under your belt before you start pulling that shit,bro.learn how to crawl before you try and sprint,you will thank yourself for it later.

at 250mgs a week your post cycle therapy will be a fucking breeze and ultra light.........and you will keep most if not of all of your gains

best of luck to you

 

[layinback]

actually for a first cycle I recommend injecting 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week(yeah,so what you're scared shitless of needles.....that's something you're going to have to overcome,bro....no offense.)if you increase your caloric intake and protein intake(protein especially to 2 grams per pound of your bodyweight,which half can be consumed in protein shake form)train hard,and get plenty of rest and it will blow your fucking mind how much you can grow and the strength that can be attained at only 250mgs a week.

sticking with one compound would be best imo,you don't even know how you will respond to gear in general,whether you're prone to gear induced hair loss,acne and or gynecomastia.if you do have sides then you will know exactly what is causing them and can respond immediately.

save the dianabol for the second and third cycles.I see nothing wrong with 'kickstarting' a second or third cycle with dianabol(as a matter of fact I'm doing that now,but have ran shit loads of cycles).........but get at least one cycle under your belt before you start pulling that shit,bro.learn how to crawl before you try and sprint,you will thank yourself for it later.

at 250mgs a week your post cycle therapy will be a fucking breeze and ultra light.........and you will keep most if not of all of your gains

best of luck to you

thank hyp. i got a lil carried away....love me some dbol for bulking.

 

[hyp1]

thank hyp. i got a lil carried away....love me some Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking.

no worries bro

hell I love to use it to kickstart a cycle,also.......just like I'm doing at the moment.............but for a first cycle the dude needs to take it slowly and controlled in my opinion,carefully monitoring how he responds to gear in general.

I wanna give you some karma bro,but goddamn

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to layinback again

 

[ximor]

250 mg of test en. got it, now you say that PCT on enanthate would be a breeze but exactly should i concern myself with getting to retain all the gains i make?

 

[hyp1]

250 mg of test en. got it, now you say that PCT - post cycle therapy - on enanthate would be a breeze but exactly should i concern myself with getting to retain all the gains i make?

for post cycle therapy on a dose like 250mgs to retain all of your gains I would run dermacrine sustain for an entire month starting 10.5 days after your last test injection

best of luck to you bro

 

[Cal_21]

You're just mad cause you fell for it.

You never promised me steroids

 

[al_ny]

you might even want to split to test ent into 2 shot per week at 125 2x per week. more stable blood levels. that is what i do.