First Cycle. Need a little help please!

[Neo22]

OK guys been on this board for awhile, done much searching and reading etc... I'm trying to decide with either of these cycles below. I'm 5'10 185 and 23. Been training for over 5 years, 3 years hardcore. Diet is down to a T. My goal is to increase lbm, and increase muscular hardness. I'm looking to blow up basically but not with crazy water retention

Here are the two I was thinking of.

Test E 1-10 at 500mg a week (250mg mond and thursday or every 3 days)
Nolva 10mg throughout and either up the dose of nolva 2 weeks after last shot or do clomid therapy. I could possible add dbol to this, though do not want to bloat or retain a ton of water.

Test Prop 1-8 EOD or MWF at 500mg a week
Same thing with nolva and clomid as above. The prop will probably be about 200 dollars more expensive but I like the fact i wont be shutdown as long.
Maybe adding tren in to this also weeks 2-8 at 75mg EOD.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[nutsnack]

OK guys been on this board for awhile, done much searching and reading etc... I'm trying to decide with either of these cycles below. I'm 5'10 185 and 23. Been training for over 5 years, 3 years hardcore. Diet is down to a T. My goal is to increase lbm, and increase muscular hardness. I'm looking to blow up basically but not with crazy water retention

Here are the two I was thinking of.

Test E 1-10 at 500mg a week (250mg mond and thursday or every 3 days)
Nolva 10mg throughout and either up the dose of nolva 2 weeks after last shot or do clomid therapy. I could possible add dbol to this, though do not want to bloat or retain a ton of water.

Test Prop 1-8 EOD or MWF at 500mg a week
Same thing with nolva and clomid as above. The prop will probably be about 200 dollars more expensive but I like the fact i wont be shutdown as long.
Maybe adding tren in to this also weeks 2-8 at 75mg EOD.

Any help is appreciated.

It's your first cycle and I wouldnt advise you to do prop cuz of the injections are 3x a week.. I definately wouldn't add tren to prop on ure first cycle either. 500mg a week for a first cycle is ideal. you will see great gains w/ the test e and if you would want you could frontload it or jumpstart it with some dbol at 25mg ED for 3 or 4 weeks.. don't make your first cycle too complicated.. see how ure body reacts to this new substance and i promise you if you train hard and eat big you will see big results.

 

[shamrock11]

500mg test Euth is perfect and if you wanted to use some dbol just get some adex and use .5mg everyday. This will help keep the bloat down. You don't need to run nolva through out the cycle. Just keep it on hand incase signs of gyon show and use it for PCT.

 

[Neo22]

500mg test Euth is perfect and if you wanted to use some dbol just get some adex and use .5mg everyday. This will help keep the bloat down. You don't need to run nolva through out the cycle. Just keep it on hand incase signs of gyon show and use it for PCT.

SO you would prefer nolva only for pct?

 

[ruggermu]

used both nolv and clomid your gonna get mixed answers from different people about which to do

 

[crfpilot14]

23 years old? you sure you want to start roids already? why not wait a few years? but, i doubt you will be waiting, so if you are gonna juice you might as well do it right.
test enanthate 500mg/wk wk1-10 (inject e4d)
dbol 25mg ed wk1-4
adex 0.5mg ed wk1 thru end of PCT (you may have to increase it to 1mg ed if bloating
becomes a problem).

PCT: start 1wk after last injection
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks along with nolva 20mg ed. after 3wks stop the HCG and continue nolva 20mg ed for another 2wks. you will be taking 0.5 - 1mg ed of adex thru this time as well.

 

[flex2win]

Finally, a newbie that's studied up and got his shit together!!! AMEN...oh and to answer your ?, option 1, no dbol, 10-12 weeks @500mg/wk....

 

[slat1]

Nice to see someone who waits until they are in their 20s... let alone someone who has their diet down too... Karma

 

[sweed]

hey bro.. im on my first... u can see it in my sig.
thats a great first cycle , its working GREAT for me!
if doing some dbol you'll get some water ret. but the adex helps , and after dicontinued use, water weight will drop as well... make sure u get all your gear and PCT befopre starting so no worried bro. goodluck

 

[Neo22]

23 years old? you sure you want to start roids already? why not wait a few years? but, i doubt you will be waiting, so if you are gonna juice you might as well do it right.
test enanthate 500mg/wk wk1-10 (inject e4d)
dbol 25mg ed wk1-4
adex 0.5mg ed wk1 thru end of PCT (you may have to increase it to 1mg ed if bloating
becomes a problem).

PCT: start 1wk after last injection
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks along with nolva 20mg ed. after 3wks stop the HCG and continue nolva 20mg ed for another 2wks. you will be taking 0.5 - 1mg ed of adex thru this time as well.

We'll I've hit a wall as far as training and weight gain goes. Thats my reasoning. I've changed every possible aspect I can think of up. I've gone upwards of 5000cals a day and literally had no effect.

 

[Bruce]

test only, enthanate or cyp. deca only if you don't get the deca dick

 

[Neo22]

Anyone else?

 

[monkey arms]

Test E or Test Cyp 500/wk 10 weeks If you want to add a good class II to it I'd go with Var 40mgs a day, but at 23 I doubt you can afford it, but hey if you can good on you.

 

[growthspurt]

If your diet is as tight as you say it is, this will prove to be the most important part of the gain factor through out your cycle. Good luck. Karma!