First Cycle, looking for criticism/help

[LetsGrow]

Ok guys, haven't been on here in a LONG ASS time, but I feel its warranted. Anyways I am trying to put my first cycle together (yes I am ready to pop my cherry ) and go for it, let me know what you guys think:

Test.E 500mg/week-14 weeks
Eq. 500mg/week-12 weeks
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks
Tren E (Need help with this, can't find a lot on tren e and dosing so please
ny help is appreciated) I know i need to run it as long as test too.
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycle

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks

Diet is solid and I am very comfortable with it, clean, healthy, right calories.
I have been lifting for a while and I feel this is the time for me to do my first cycle, here at my stats:

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 225lbs (just came down from 250lbs)
Bf: around 10%
Age: 24
Lifiting: 8 years or so (i was that tall skinny kid in school)

Any suggestions for all those veterans out there? All comments and criticisms are welcome. And yes I have been doing research on these, just really having a hard time with the tren e because right now tren a is being used more than e.

I am looking to put on some solid mass, while keeping my bf % in check, if not lose a little bit if possible.

Thanks in advance bro's really appreciate it!

 

[therugger]

Ok guys, haven't been on here in a LONG ASS time, but I feel its warranted. Anyways I am trying to put my first cycle together (yes I am ready to pop my cherry ) and go for it, let me know what you guys think:

Test.E 500mg/week-14 weeks
Eq. 500mg/week-12 weeks
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks
Tren E (Need help with this, can't find a lot on tren e and dosing so please
ny help is appreciated) I know i need to run it as long as test too.
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycle

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks

Diet is solid and I am very comfortable with it, clean, healthy, right calories.
I have been lifting for a while and I feel this is the time for me to do my first cycle, here at my stats:

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 225lbs (just came down from 250lbs)
Bf: around 10%
Age: 24
Lifiting: 8 years or so (i was that tall skinny kid in school)

Any suggestions for all those veterans out there? All comments and criticisms are welcome. And yes I have been doing research on these, just really having a hard time with the tren e because right now tren a is being used more than e.

I am looking to put on some solid mass, while keeping my bf % in check, if not lose a little bit if possible.

Thanks in advance bro's really appreciate it!

Solid cycle, but more than you need. For first cycle you would grow easily off just the test at 500/wk. that way you can also see how you react to test as it will prob be the base for all cycles in the future. If your determine to do more, I don't think the EQ is gonna be a prob, but don't run tren E on your first cycle. Get a cycle or 2 under your belt before you try tren, and then try tren A first so if you turn out to have bad sides you can come off quick.

 

[eddymerckx]

never never never tren as or part of a 1st cycle.

1st cycle should be just test b/c test will be the base of every cycle you do in the future---you need to find out if you are prone to gyno/BP issues/etc/

you can use d-bol for the 1st four weeks as a kick start, but i always suggest against it b/c there are a few bros that get gyno from the tiny bit of conversion to a very active form of estrogen--this way, w/test only, you will be able to treat and narrow down the cause of problems.

remember, everyone is different and there is no reason to do a complicated first cycle b/c you have no basis to predict how you will react--

 

[LetsGrow]

thanks! Yeah I know tren is pretty harsh when it comes to sides, that why I went with E and not A, sides aren't as bad, not to mention pinning myself every day or 2 kinda sucks. I have been taking prohormones for a few years now (and I know its not the same as the real stuff) and I tend to have better results from slightly higher dosages of stuff.

Is the PCT enough?, I figured it would be good enough since running arim and hcg while i'm ON my cycle.

EDIT: Ok so I will cut the tren from my cycle, cuz thats the response I figured I would get but wanted to throw it out there anyways.

Hows everything else looking? Dosages good, cycle length, anything you can think of?

 

[eddymerckx]

dump the equipose.
b/c you are 24, I would start with 250 of test b/c that + the h/c/g will keep your levels high.

and do about 250 every 3-4 days.

ONLY use an ai if you have sides--these things are strong as hell (in the future, you may find you need to run them throughout, but that is why i say start w/test or test and d-bol only). i dont need any unless the total amount of gear >1g.

 

[LetsGrow]

Also, wondering if anyone would suggest subing Deca in for the Tren? I know they are different compounds, but would this make my first cycle too complicated and un-neccessary?

Ok, so if I were to drop the test to 250, would it be better to run sust 250?

 

[workshopakl08]

Solid cycle, but more than you need. For first cycle you would grow easily off just the test at 500/wk. that way you can also see how you react to test as it will prob be the base for all cycles in the future. If your determine to do more, I don't think the EQ is gonna be a prob, but don't run tren E on your first cycle. Get a cycle or 2 under your belt before you try tren, and then try tren A first so if you turn out to have bad sides you can come off quick.

you def should not be taking all of that you're first cycle especially the tren. Even if you decided to take all of that you're first time which everyone here is going to heavily advise you not to, you dont have the proper AI's to battle any side effects you might encounter.. I wanted to take a bunch of shit my first cycle but realized my health was more important than blowing a shit load of money on drugs that I didnt need. Save your money.. just take the test

 

[eddymerckx]

Also, wondering if anyone would suggest subing Deca in for the Tren? I know they are different compounds, but would this make my first cycle too complicated and un-neccessary?

Ok, so if I were to drop the test to 250, would it be better to run sust 250?

the sus need to be pinned eod or eood--stick with the longer ester for your first--unless you are willing to preload and stick to it.

save the deca for your 2nd cycle.

gear is a marathon not a sprint---think about it this way: throw a frog in a pot of boiling water--from jumps out. put him in warm water and slowly bring-up the heat--and you have frog soup (why you want that i have no clue but you get the idea).

 

[LetsGrow]

thanks, really appreciate it, so I am assuming this is more of what I should be aiming to do:

Test.E 250mg/week-14 weeks
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycle

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks

That sound about right? Anything else I should be adding in terms of making sure I keep my body right?

 

[SaladFork]

thanks, really appreciate it, so I am assuming this is more of what I should be aiming to do:

Test.E 250mg/week-14 weeks
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks - Drop (save for 2nd Cycle) See how you react to the test first before stacking
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycle - Drop and use it with PCT unless you are having sides.

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks

That sound about right? Anything else I should be adding in terms of making sure I keep my body right?

Inline

 

[eddymerckx]

thanks, really appreciate it, so I am assuming this is more of what I should be aiming to do:

Test.E 250mg/week-14 weeks 250 every 4-5 days
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks be flexible with the dose--30 may be perfect and 35 a nightmare--but you will know right away
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycleonl;y if needed

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks

That sound about right? Anything else I should be adding in terms of making sure I keep my body right?

and for pct read these:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8046949-post1.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7923018-post1.html

 

[LetsGrow]

ok then, I seem to get the idea and on that track. I would need to add some of the supps for the transition phase, but ON cycle and Pct seems to be fairly on point, assuming i get the transition supps.

Now let me ask you this, when do you think the best time would be to take the dbol in my stack, beginning middle or end? If at the end, how should I gauge when to stop taking the hcg because the test e is longer lasting and the dbol is shorter?

 

[eddymerckx]

ok then, I seem to get the idea and on that track. I would need to add some of the supps for the transition phase, but ON cycle and Pct seems to be fairly on point, assuming i get the transition supps.

Now let me ask you this, when do you think the best time would be to take the dbol in my stack, beginning middle or end? If at the end, how should I gauge when to stop taking the hcg because the test e is longer lasting and the dbol is shorter?

1sy 4 weeks--the purpose is to give you a kickstart as it takes 3-5 weeks for the test to reach a peak level.

 

[khemix]

thanks, really appreciate it, so I am assuming this is more of what I should be aiming to do:

Test.E 250mg/week-14 weeks
Dbol 35mg/day-5 weeks
Hcg 500iu's/week-weeks 3-12
Arim 1mg each day throughout cycle

PCT:
Clomid-25mg/day for 6 weeks.

You really dont need to run the test for 14 weeks. I would suggest 10, maybe 12 at the most. The gains drop dramatically after 10-12wks for me.

Start the dbol at 25mg/ed. Some people are wicked sensitive to it (me) and you can always go up to 30 or 35mg if you're inclined.

HCG looks fine. Only use the arimidex if you start to have nasty sides or feel like you're holding too much water. The dbol will most definantly put water weight on you. But as others have said, AI's can hinder your gains greatly and theres no need taking more drugs than you have to before you even know if you need them.

Follow eddys PCT links as your clomid schedule isn't up to par.

My first cycle was Test E @ 400mg for 10 wks, and Dbol @ 25mg/ed for 3wks and I gained 35lbs. Keep it simple. The complex stuff will come later. Trust me .

Chris

 

[LetsGrow]

thanks guys, really appreciate all the info, most helpful and informative!

 

[eddymerckx]

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use the week to search and learn as much as you can--some good stuff out there.

 

[LetsGrow]

thanks eddy, I really appreciate it! all of you, thank you you've all been a really big help, I want to do this right and safely.

 

[LetsGrow]

ok so I am slightly confused about 1 thing, if I am going to use test e, according to the pct guides I should take my last shot of hcg at the same time, which I get. But how long after my last shot would I start my pct? I ask because the articles are saying that it takes up to around 2 weeks for the test to get out of the system, so if I did a 12 week cycle, would that mean I would begin my pct week 14? or 4-5 days after my last injection?

 

[eddymerckx]

you don't want to start pct until the test is gone--the half life of test e can vary between 5-10 days, depending on about 1000 factors--in general, 2-3 weeks allows the test to lower by half, then half, then half, then half again, which is low enough to start the process of restarting your natty production.

and i fixed the second paragraph.

 

[LetsGrow]

fixed what in second paragraph?

 

[LetsGrow]

ok, so since I am going back and forth between the articles for pct, there are similarities and differences. What do you guys recommend for pct then? I am going to run hcg during cycle, and possibly arim. (if needed, like mentioned above).

 

[SaladFork]

ok, so since I am going back and forth between the articles for pct, there are similarities and differences. What do you guys recommend for pct then? I am going to run hcg during cycle, and possibly arim. (if needed, like mentioned above).

I just came off my first cycle and I'm on my last day of PCT. With help from a few vets this is how the cycle irons out. HCG was suggested but I didn't have it. You have it USE IT!

What I did
Test-E 500mg's week for 12 weeks

My PCT
40mg Nolvadex ED for 30 days
Few drops of Aromasin ED for 30 days.
PP's A-Sustain / Last two weeks

 

[sweed]

As the other good bro's said, keep it to test. 12 weeks max and dbol for the first 4 weeks. I started pct 1 week after the last injection for my first cycle.
I did test @ 500mgs EW and bols @ 30 mgs ED for 1st 6 weeks and went from 225 to 255ish. It's a great first cycle and you will feel amazing on it. I don't know how people can ask you get mad on it?? I was in a great mood the whole time!
GL !!

 

[LetsGrow]

thanks guys, appreciate the info, salad fork how well has your pct worked for you, how much have your losses been, in terms of weight dropped, strength, softer looking, etc...

BTW salad fork, i LOVE the avatar pic, HOT!

 

[eddymerckx]

BTW salad fork, i LOVE the avatar pic, HOT!

its my wife...not sure how he got the pic

 

[SaladFork]

thanks guys, appreciate the info, salad fork how well has your pct worked for you, how much have your losses been, in terms of weight dropped, strength, softer looking, etc...

BTW salad fork, i LOVE the avatar pic, HOT!

Hard to say about my PCT until blood work is done. I feel fine, blowing loads can be a chore but what girls doesn't like getting drilled for four hours
I am attributing that to the AI.

My strength seems the same, I did a heavy day yesterday and using the same weight on most movements... My appetite has been nonexistent the last couple of weeks along with energy. My food cravings have also changed.

I was 190lbs 15% ecto when I started. Exploded around week 6-8 put on almost 25lbs. Hovered around 210 for a few weeks before I went off. Still holding around 205 but my BF is way lower.

 

[SaladFork]

its my wife...not sure how he got the pic

With a wife like that you gotta share

 

[LetsGrow]

With a wife like that you gotta share

Agreed!

Well its good to see your keeping a decent amount of your gains. What would you guess your bf% went down to?

 

[SaladFork]

Agreed!

Well its good to see your keeping a decent amount of your gains. What would you guess your bf% went down to?

I'm at 10% right now... And I do almost no cardio, it's all diet control and intense workouts. I dropped alot out of my diet the last two weeks of my cycle. No red meats, no sugar carbs and no milk products.

 

[LetsGrow]

wow!
Another question for you guys, instead of a dbol how would anadrol 50 be? I know its stronger than dbol and carries the risk of more and more severe sides, but would it be fine to take even though its my first cycle?

 

[sshadoww]

wow!
Another question for you guys, instead of a dbol how would anadrol 50 be? I know its stronger than dbol and carries the risk of more and more severe sides, but would it be fine to take even though its my first cycle?

No- not needed- neither is Dbol to be honest. Test and good diet and PCT will make you grow a ton your first time- no need to overdo it.

If you are gonna use the Dbol as a kick start, start with 25mg ED for 3 weeks and Test at 250 every 5 days for 10 weeks- you probably don't need more or a longer cycle. Run L-Dex at .25 ed or eod. Just my 2.