first cycle for a well informed novice

[cybexman1965]

I have been doing my homework and have come to the conclusion that the following would help me drop some unwanted fat (5'11" 240 and about 18%bf) and start me on my way to packing on some good muscle.

Sust 500 wk x10 wks
Winny (oral) 50 EOD
Fina 80 EOD administered with my Yohimburn.
Clomid at the end

Will be doing cardio 30 to 45 min per day (running and cycling since the weather is good here)

1500 to 2000 cals. per day(excluding the cals form the protein powder), 240 g of protien

Any further insite would be helpful. Also will be posting a before pic. So don't laugh I have really let my body go.

On final note since I am in the military will this shit come up on a piss test. The last thing I want is to get shipped over to the middle east and be sent back for AS abuse.

Thanks

 

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Your cycle is good...get some nolva or arimidex in case of water retention or gyno. I'd up the calories a bit more...around 3000 cals and the protein between 300-400. As for drug tests i can't help u with that part but i'm sure someone here will be around in no time to give u a hand

 

[Lift or Die]

You didn't say how long you were going to use the Fina and winny for but if its for the entire 10 weeks that's too long in my opinion. I would run the winny 50mg/ED and the Fina 75mg/ED for the last 6 weeks of your cycle. I'm not sure how well Fina works transdermally with yohimburn but if you don't mind the injections get a kit, you'll be happier with the results.

I think that running 1500-2000 calories a day is too low even while trying to lose fat. Try for at least 3000. You'll be amazed at how lean the Fina will get you.

I doubt the military tests for steroids but more so for recreational drugs. I could be wrong. Good luck with this cycle.

 

[guards]

How long are you running the winny for???

I might suggest you run it for the first 8 weeks of your cycle, ten weeks with 50 mg ed is a bit much IMO.

As to the AS testing, unless you are advertising it to the world, they won't ship you home for using. It's really expensive to test for AS, so don't worry. Just keep your extracurricular activities to yourself and you'll be fine.

Start clomid three weeks after your last sust shot.

Good luck!
Keep us posted.

 

[lawnsaver]

To get the main benifit of oral winny, you must drink it twice a day to maintain a constant blood concentration.

If you were going to take 50mg EOD,than drink 12.5mg twice a day.

When applying fina transdemally, you must take ED. Yohimburm will work fine, but again to keep blood level elavated and ED dosing schedule is needed for the results you want. Take 2 pellets ED.

Clomid 3 weeks from last Sus shot is correct.

 

[Dutch windmill]

Solid advice here from the elite bro's.

 

[G-Force]

In my last cycle I was doing Winny at 50mg EOD but as it only has a half-life of 4 - 6hrs that means taking 6 - 8 drinks over the two days and I found it difficult to keep the doses even to retain a constant level in your system. I was tending to run out towards the end of the second day so I moved up to 50mg ED and I'm glad I did cos it made a huge difference to my strength gains!
There is still some controversy wether you lose some Winny in the first pass when you administer it orally as opposed to when you inject it because as it's 17AA it can only be metabolised by the liver and so there shouldn't be any difference but my experience is that although 50mg EOD is a good dose when injecting it is not enough when drinking!
Good luck Bro!

 

[lawnsaver]

In my last cycle I was doing Winny at 50mg EOD but as it only has a half-life of 4 - 6hrs that means taking 6 - 8 drinks over the two days and I found it difficult to keep the doses even to retain a constant level in your system. I was tending to run out towards the end of the second day so I moved up to 50mg ED and I'm glad I did cos it made a huge difference to my strength gains!
There is still some controversy wether you lose some Winny in the first pass when you administer it orally as opposed to when you inject it because as it's 17AA it can only be metabolised by the liver and so there shouldn't be any difference but my experience is that although 50mg EOD is a good dose when injecting it is not enough when drinking!
Good luck Bro!

For the last time! Any c17aa steriod avoids the first pass through the liver because of the c17aa molecule. This isnt debated.

Injections are absorbed through the muscle, orally is absorbed through the intestines after the absorbtion it goes to the same place, the liver to be processed. There is no first pass for a c17aa steroid.

 

[G-Force]

I'm confused here because I understood that first pass refers to the process of a particular compound crossing from the stomach or intestine to the liver where it is either destroyed or enters the bloodstream!!!
Could somebody explain this to me!

 

[cybexman1965]

Thanks for all the great advice. I was planing on doing the winny and the fina for only 6 week. I guess that will be the last 6 weeks. I will also up my caloric intake to 3000. I don't mind darting myself but the thought of all those fina shots makes my ass sore. The winny I have is the super winny tabs (50mg). Should I hold off until I get enough liquid or will the tabs be ok? I am taking milk thissel now, getting my liver in shape. Once again thanks for the help.
Will have my camera up and running tomorrow and will get you guys a before picture.

 

[moto-racer-1]

Regarding testing, As guards said, Testing for a.s. is expensive. The military will only test if they have reason to believe they should!

 

[lawnsaver]

Throw out the milk thislte it does nothing for liver values. Pick up ALA and take 700-1000mg ED.

 

[cybexman1965]

Thanks, will do.

 

[cybexman1965]

Which would be better to have as an anti-e?
arimidex or nolvadex. Also when should I take it and how much. Do I wait for my nipples to start itching or take it to make sure they don't.

 

[Manilla Gorilla]

You may want to get some T3, clen or at the very least some sort of ECA stack. My .002
Later

 

[cybexman1965]

I've got a huge bottle of Hydroxycut. My dosage is 4 caps TID. This bottle should last me a while. Will get more when the time comes.