First Cycle, Deca or not?

[jerkbox]

i used to think the same things....hang around these boards and you will learn a lot.

winny is a good choice for cutting, but it's hard on the liver when taken in high doses, and for too long. probably better stacked with something then taken alone.

Dbol, probably not the best choice for cutting as it tends to induce bloat.

clen isn't an anabolic steroid, but a drug that affects the nervous system and stimlulates fat burning.

hope all this helps man, good luck.

 

[Goldprospector]

NUTT,
Do some serch on the net for the drug profiles...check out www.mesomorphosis.com and do some reading about the individual drug.
You don' want D-bol to get cut....

You don't need more than 1 AAS on a first cycle.

If you don't want to get bigger but do want to cut...then AAS are not for you...Just hit the treadmill and eat super clean.

As far as Deca being safe...It is a drug and is only as safe as the user makes it.

And from the reading that I have done and the advice that I was given on this forum....for a 1rst cycle, Test is Best!

 

[galaxy]

Test is best! I disagree with dbol not being for cutting though. i think its great at removing visceral fat around the abdomen............galaxy

 

[Goldprospector]

I disagree with dbol not being for cutting though. i think its great at removing visceral fat around the abdomen............galaxy

You may be right...I was just supplying my limited experience with D-bol and the stuff that I have read. I know fat and water are 2 different things, but I didn't like d-bol for the back pumps, headaches, and bigtime bloat.

 

[BIGNUTT]

NUTT,
Do some serch on the net for the drug profiles...check out www.mesomorphosis.com and do some reading about the individual drug.
You don' want D-bol to get cut....

You don't need more than 1 AAS on a first cycle.

If you don't want to get bigger but do want to cut...then AAS are not for you...Just hit the treadmill and eat super clean.

As far as Deca being safe...It is a drug and is only as safe as the user makes it.

And from the reading that I have done and the advice that I was given on this forum....for a 1rst cycle, Test is Best!

Thanks,

No I really really want to get bigger and cut at the same time, I think everyone does. I was just saying cut more than big because my body fat is probably 15-18% or so, maybe less. So I really need to lose fat.

I just want to hear from people who know what they are talking about and from what I've told you about myself what would seem the best? I will look into the website and search more too.

Please keep the comments coming.

 

[BIGNUTT]

And I know alot of the things mentioned are not AAS. I want to take one type of AAS and a good fat burner with it to try and do both grow and cut.

 

[BIGNUTT]

Ok went to that website and read some. Test seems pretty bad, It didn't sound better than Deca when it comes to safty.

Any other AAS besides Deca or Test I should look into?

 

[ripper2]

you could check into EQ or anavar...

personally i'd say a cycle of test would be the best for you. sides aren't bad until doses get up there, and any sides you DO get can be countered with anti-E or finasteride.

you're a pretty big dude... i'd say 750mg/wk for 10-12 wks of test (i like the short esters like prop, but enanthate or cyp would be fine) along with a smart diet and excercise regimen would do you right.

 

[BIGNUTT]

you could check into EQ or anavar...

personally i'd say a cycle of test would be the best for you. sides aren't bad until doses get up there, and any sides you DO get can be countered with anti-E or finasteride.

you're a pretty big dude... i'd say 750mg/wk for 10-12 wks of test (i like the short esters like prop, but enanthate or cyp would be fine) along with a smart diet and excercise regimen would do you right.

That sounds good, what ever AAS I go with will be stacked with T3 and/or Clen. 750 sounds like alot though.

 

[R77M]

Ok, I have never had any experience with T3 but your thyroid is nothing to play with. You're 21 years old. I don't want to sound condesending but your still young, you do not want to create thyroid problems. There are better ways to loose fat.

My first cycle was Deca 200mg/wk for 6 weeks 400mg/wk for last 4 weeks. I gained solid muscle and my joints felt like I was back in high school. It was very easy to triple the intensity of my workouts. I also gained alot of strength. I went with Deca for the same reason you are thinking about. All the sites say it is the safest drug out there. But none of those sites tell you about progesterone (sp?). Before you take Deca find out all you can about progesterone (sp?) and its effects on your body.

The negatives of Deca are as follows:
-Super hard shut down (testicular atrophy more than likely)
-Long recovery
-Estrogen/progesterone fat deposits
-And if you do get progesterone gyno the regular anti-e's won't touch it.

That said, if you prepare Deca can provide good results safely. The only thing I really did not like about Deca was the fat deposits. It put a thin layer of fat around my mid section post cycle, which I had never had before.

Truthfully, with your stated goals I don't think Deca is the best bet. And don't fuck with your thyroid!!!