First cycle- Dbol-Test-Deca

[lift-up-put-down]

Hey there folks, Just some background info,
Age: 23
Height: 6'4
Weight: 192 lbs
Bf: 9%
Gym Experience: 3 yrs
AAS experience: First time.


OK! here we go! I kind of have decided to go balls out on the first cycle, I dont plan on cycling to much, Just want to get to where I am aestetically pleased with my looks. I also have a under-developped back, and shoulders which I plan on buklking up and strengthening this cycle.
So here is the plan guys.

12 Week cycle.

1-5 Dbol 60mg ED
1-12 Test e 300 mg EW
\1-10 Deca 250 Mg Ew
14-18 Arimidex


I am tthinking my pct may be lacking, And I may need something else, I am not to sure, Have tried to look into things and get a decent understanding, But I find there is quiet a bit that goes into PCT knowledge wise, and I just dont seem to get it. Any constructive critism would be great, and if your just going to flame me, well Ill take the good with the bad.

Thanks alot for your time Fellas.!

 

[calpoly]

Drop Deca. Increase test to 500mg. Drop Dbol to 40mg. Run aromasin 12.5mg EOD.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey there folks, Just some background info,
Age: 23
Height: 6'4
Weight: 192 lbs
Bf: 9%
Gym Experience: 3 yrs
AAS experience: First time.


OK! here we go! I kind of have decided to go balls out on the first cycle, I dont plan on cycling to much, Just want to get to where I am aestetically pleased with my looks. I also have a under-developped back, and shoulders which I plan on buklking up and strengthening this cycle.
So here is the plan guys.

12 Week cycle.

1-5 Dbol 60mg ED
1-12 Test e 300 mg EW
\1-10 Deca 250 Mg Ew
14-18 Arimidex


I am tthinking my pct may be lacking, And I may need something else, I am not to sure, Have tried to look into things and get a decent understanding, But I find there is quiet a bit that goes into PCT knowledge wise, and I just dont seem to get it. Any constructive critism would be great, and if your just going to flame me, well Ill take the good with the bad.

Thanks alot for your time Fellas.!

im not going to flame you bro but im going tell you what everyone else is going to tell you... this is just a fucking horrible idea... deca as a first, even second cycle is just horrible man... there are so many things that can go wrong here... its just a horrible idea...

you need to keep it simple your first cycle... i don't have any problem with you running an oral kicker or something on the back end of the test cycle but deca is just a terrible idea here...

your under 10% body fat... you could use something like mast with test and get great size and shred nicely all at the same time... not everyone has the option to run something like mast because their body fat is too high... just a thought but i would be taking advantage of that...

if not, at least drop the deca bro.... trust me...

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Hmmm, First two posts and dropping deca is in both ey. Reason It was being added was to help with my joints, because I have bad arthritis and tight joints ( knees wrists ). Especially as i lift heavier, the joints really take a beating. Also I have already done my first injection, Any advice i should keep on hand incase I come across issues on/after cycle?

I do realize this is a novice mistake, And even in my opinion deserves flaming.... My bad.
Same as when we are young, Rushing into things I suppose. Definitely admitting my mistake.

 

[calpoly]

just stop injecting deca and continue with the test. Youll be fine doing that.

 

[dylangemelli]

just stop injecting deca and continue with the test. Youll be fine doing that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this... just stop it now bro...

get forged joint repair and skeletal balm for your joints...

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Hmm, Eugh. This puts me in a tight spot, Because I cant get more Test, And im stuck with the 10ml of Deca. ( 1ml = 300mg) . Is there extra Pct care I can pick up to help ease the cycle? I have already started with it I feel Kind of committed you know?

Please do note im not trying to Take the advice and throw it out the window, Not at all. Just trying to think of how to salvage things best I can.. What is it you guys are worried about with the deca?

 

[dylangemelli]

Hmm, Eugh. This puts me in a tight spot, Because I cant get more Test, And im stuck with the 10ml of Deca. ( 1ml = 300mg) . Is there extra Pct care I can pick up to help ease the cycle? I have already started with it I feel Kind of committed you know?

Please do note im not trying to Take the advice and throw it out the window, Not at all. Just trying to think of how to salvage things best I can.. What is it you guys are worried about with the deca?

everything bro... the prolactin, gyno, deca dick, etc... its just a horrible idea all the way around...

you need to just drop it man... if you don't then your not being wise at all...

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Hmm, Eugh. This puts me in a tight spot, Because I cant get more Test, And im stuck with the 10ml of Deca. ( 1ml = 300mg) . Is there extra Pct care I can pick up to help ease the cycle? I have already started with it I feel Kind of committed you know?

Please do note im not trying to Take the advice and throw it out the window, Not at all. Just trying to think of how to salvage things best I can.. What is it you guys are worried about with the deca?

Why would you not have enough eigther be prepared or dont start!

 

[thelastmrbigg15]

^^^true dat... pick up some caber for prolactin and run the arimidex during cycle for bloat...get you some hcg or hcgenerate or both run the hcgenerate during cycle and hit the hcg 2 weeks after you last injections the pct is the most important part of the cycle and if you got money to buy these things u got money to pick up another thing of test and drop the deca for later on and then u don't hafta buy the caber... ur pct is lacking bad plus the on cycle support supps are needed as well the less u have rasin nuts *quote from steve* the better your recovery will be and the more weight you maintain

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Why would you not have enough eigther be prepared or dont start!

I mean I wouldnt have enough Test to go up to 500mg a week and cut the deca out. I have enough to do the cycle as proposed.

 

[dylangemelli]

bro you don't sound like a stupid person at all so don't act like one... drop the fucking deca...

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Ripped - I have enough to do the proposed cycle, I wouldnt have enough to double the dose of test and cut the deca.


So I should get caber and run it E3D at .25 mg from start of cycle to 2-3 weeks into PCT? Would that cover me?

 

[dylangemelli]

you need to just get more test or your going to end up learning the hard way, which is what it sounds like your going to do...

 

[Essie]

I mean I wouldnt have enough Test to go up to 500mg a week and cut the deca out. I have enough to do the cycle as proposed.

Bro ... it's your first cycle and there's no need for you to HAVE to run 500mg/wk ... even you run your cycle with DBol as a front load and TEst @ 300mg/wk ... you'll do good on that, you'll see. Just run it as is excluding the Deca and you'll have good gains if you eat right, train right and sleep enough, I promise

 

[joeblow12345]

Stop the deca and keep running test at 300 Mg week. You are gonna need to get some pct products. Buy clomid, post cycle/ unleashed combo, and hcg. Pct as follows
14-18 clomid 25 Mg day
14-18 post cycle/ unleashed combo
11-15 hcg at 250 ius twice a week
18-22 bridge, or you can run sarms

 

[lift-up-put-down]

bro you don't sound like a stupid person at all so don't act like one... drop the fucking deca...

Funny you say this, And then i go and almost triple post, Thinking my post didnt Go up, Yet it went to page 2....

So you guys think if I ran Just the test at 300 mg for 12 weeks And used Adex for pct Id be good? Dropping the deca? or Would I need Clomid/Nolva On top of the adex?

I really think I may drop the deca and just go test As I would want my dick to work
Then ill have 10 ml Of deca sitting around forever...

Now I ask this just from curiousity, If I ran Test at 400mg and Deca at 250 Would things be different then 300-250 ? Or even What if I only ran deca 9 weeks Test 12. Then the deca should be out of my system much long enough and after Pct be ok? Thanks for All the time guys I really do appreciatte it!

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Bro ... it's your first cycle and there's no need for you to HAVE to run 500mg/wk ... even you run your cycle with DBol as a front load and TEst @ 300mg/wk ... you'll do good on that, you'll see. Just run it as is excluding the Deca and you'll have good gains if you eat right, train right and sleep enough, I promise

Wasnt saying I HAD to mate, Just replying to the other fella saying to drop the deca and double the test.

 

[joeblow12345]

Funny you say this, And then i go and almost triple post, Thinking my post didnt Go up, Yet it went to page 2....

So you guys think if I ran Just the test at 300 mg for 12 weeks And used Adex for pct Id be good? Dropping the deca? or Would I need Clomid/Nolva On top of the adex?

I really think I may drop the deca and just go test As I would want my dick to work
Then ill have 10 ml Of deca sitting around forever...

Now I ask this just from curiousity, If I ran Test at 400mg and Deca at 250 Would things be different then 300-250 ? Or even What if I only ran deca 9 weeks Test 12. Then the deca should be out of my system much long enough and after Pct be ok? Thanks for All the time guys I really do appreciatte it!

Dude read my last post. I layed it out for you. Save the deca for later.

 

[dylangemelli]

Funny you say this, And then i go and almost triple post, Thinking my post didnt Go up, Yet it went to page 2....

So you guys think if I ran Just the test at 300 mg for 12 weeks And used Adex for pct Id be good? Dropping the deca? or Would I need Clomid/Nolva On top of the adex?

I really think I may drop the deca and just go test As I would want my dick to work
Then ill have 10 ml Of deca sitting around forever...

Now I ask this just from curiousity, If I ran Test at 400mg and Deca at 250 Would things be different then 300-250 ? Or even What if I only ran deca 9 weeks Test 12. Then the deca should be out of my system much long enough and after Pct be ok? Thanks for All the time guys I really do appreciatte it!

this is yet another reason why you are far from ready for this... you don't even have a pct and then you bring up nolva... joe laid you out the proper pct earlier but i will lay it out again for you...

clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

deca stays in your system for 18 months... noone is going to give you advice on running deca because we would not be doing you any good, so please stop asking about it... fuck ,sell it or use it for a later cycle... you act like it cost you thousands and thousands of dollars... im done here, your going to do what you want, but if you can't see that EVERYONE is telling you to drop it then i don't know what the fuck to tell you... if you want me to lay you out a test cycle with a dbol kick start, then i will be happy too but any more deca talk, if you even say the fucking word, count me out...

 

[lift-up-put-down]

this is yet another reason why you are far from ready for this... you don't even have a pct and then you bring up nolva... joe laid you out the proper pct earlier but i will lay it out again for you...

clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

deca stays in your system for 18 months... noone is going to give you advice on running deca because we would not be doing you any good, so please stop asking about it... fuck ,sell it or use it for a later cycle... you act like it cost you thousands and thousands of dollars... im done here, your going to do what you want, but if you can't see that EVERYONE is telling you to drop it then i don't know what the fuck to tell you... if you want me to lay you out a test cycle with a dbol kick start, then i will be happy too but any more deca talk, if you even say the fucking word, count me out...

To both you and Joe I thank you very much.
so deca is gunna get dropped. Gotcha boys. If I run just the test at 300mg for 12 weeks, Clomid for PCT yea? Or if the DECA is dropped Is nolva acceptable after test ?

Lastly is the adex Going to be pointless for me to have now? Or will I still have a use for it/ Keep it around.

 

[dylangemelli]

To both you and Joe I thank you very much.
so deca is gunna get dropped. Gotcha boys. If I run just the test at 300mg for 12 weeks, Clomid for PCT yea? Or if the DECA is dropped Is nolva acceptable after test ?

Lastly is the adex Going to be pointless for me to have now? Or will I still have a use for it/ Keep it around.

you always want to have an ai on hand so you definitely want the adex on hand... i would be taking it anyway because i like to be preventative and keep the bloat down from test...

as far as nolva... here's what i have found it to be good for... if i am out of toilet paper, i will use it to wipe my ass with... that's all its good for... its shit! pure shit...

run the pct we laid out for you bro...

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Hahaha, Out of Every Reply in this entire threat That last one is my ABSOLUTE favourite. Lmao.

" as far as nolv here's what i have found it to be good for... if i am out of toilet paper, i will use it to wipe my ass with... that's all its good for... its shit! pure shit... "
Made my night.

Ok, So clomid is definitely The needed tool here, And you guys think Ill have no problems With the deca being in my system from the first pin?

Again thank you very much, I hope I havent been to much trouble, I know alot of guys get frustrated when people dont listen, I am not trying to not listen, Just asking questions you know? I am quiet new to this shit thats for sure! I will definitely discontinue the Deca.

Any idea What kind of Gains weight wise And lift wise I can expect after ther 12 weeks on test?

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Oh, And to go with my question in my last post -
My gym routine is a 5 day split
legs-chest-back-tris/bis- shoulders Abs 3 times a week.
Currently no cardio ( should I do cardio throughout cycle? I presume not as I am bulking )

My diet I eat 5 large whit eggs for breakfast
- A can of tuna mixed with mayo for meal 2
Chicken and veggies for meal 3 -
Workout here - Protien shake meal 6
Chicken and whole wheat rice meal 5
Tuna and mayo again for meal 6
Chicken and pasta again for meal 7
And Yet another can of tuna and mayo to finish the solids off for the day. ( meal 8 )
Casien shake before bed ( meal 9)


When bulking up I add in Red meats 3-4 times a week. Steak and pork mainly. So yes on cycle Much Much more Red meat will be consumed.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hahaha, Out of Every Reply in this entire threat That last one is my ABSOLUTE favourite. Lmao.

" as far as nolv here's what i have found it to be good for... if i am out of toilet paper, i will use it to wipe my ass with... that's all its good for... its shit! pure shit... "
Made my night.

Ok, So clomid is definitely The needed tool here, And you guys think Ill have no problems With the deca being in my system from the first pin?

Again thank you very much, I hope I havent been to much trouble, I know alot of guys get frustrated when people dont listen, I am not trying to not listen, Just asking questions you know? I am quiet new to this shit thats for sure! I will definitely discontinue the Deca.

Any idea What kind of Gains weight wise And lift wise I can expect after ther 12 weeks on test?

I try to entertain when i can... LOLLL

your fine as long as you only pinned the deca once... there's nothing to worry about there...

don't worry bro... even though you had a slightly hard head about it, at least you listened in the end... =)

bro, if you train hard and eat big, you can get big gains on a test only cycle... its highly possible to get 15-20 lbs. on it... thats up to you though... it won't magically happen but i think you already know that... good luck bro and if you have any questions along the way, i am happy to help!

 

[Essie]

Hahaha, Out of Every Reply in this entire threat That last one is my ABSOLUTE favourite. Lmao.

" as far as nolv here's what i have found it to be good for... if i am out of toilet paper, i will use it to wipe my ass with... that's all its good for... its shit! pure shit... "
Made my night.

Ok, So clomid is definitely The needed tool here, And you guys think Ill have no problems With the deca being in my system from the first pin?

Again thank you very much, I hope I havent been to much trouble, I know alot of guys get frustrated when people dont listen, I am not trying to not listen, Just asking questions you know? I am quiet new to this shit thats for sure! I will definitely discontinue the Deca.

Any idea What kind of Gains weight wise And lift wise I can expect after ther 12 weeks on test?

Yes ... Clomid is required, and HCG or HCGenerate, Post Cycle+Unleashed in Combo and Forma.

As far and gains are concerned ... every single person differs and gains depend largely on how you eat, how you train and how much rest you get. If you do all 3 of those correctly, you can look at an average of 15-17lbs ... but like I said, people differ.

 

[lift-up-put-down]

I try to entertain when i can... LOLLL

your fine as long as you only pinned the deca once... there's nothing to worry about there...

don't worry bro... even though you had a slightly hard head about it, at least you listened in the end... =)

bro, if you train hard and eat big, you can get big gains on a test only cycle... its highly possible to get 15-20 lbs. on it... thats up to you though... it won't magically happen but i think you already know that... good luck bro and if you have any questions along the way, i am happy to help!

Hard HEADED! ME! NO WAY!

Thanks again for All the help my friend. You will likely hear from me again, I will follow threads as my cycle goes on, And will Also be posting before and after photos once done the cycle and pct! sound steller? I think yes!

 

[lift-up-put-down]

Wont magically happen.... Load of BS this is! Thought these things were magic BRA! Im so fucking mad!! kidding defnitely... Thanks again for the help, Some more then others. You guys rock.