first cycle critique--calling all vets

[escher]

Quick briefing: I’m 21, 6’0” 225 10% BF (calipers) been lifting since 13, seriously since 15, diet impeccable. I’ve been researching gear extensively for about 8 months now, taking my time, doing A LOT OF HOMEWORK on it. This is really important to me as it will be my first cycle, so I want to do it right.

I want to put on 20-25lbs of mass using the test and EQ, then lean out and harden up towards the end using the tren, still in conjunction with the EQ. Hopefully that is not too unrealistic of an expectation. Game plan goes something like this:

Weeks 1-10: EQ @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 1-8: Test E. 500mg/wk
Weeks 6-10: Tren A. 75mg EOD

PCT (beginning Week 11--maybe sooner):

H.C.G. 500i.u. ED for 10 days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED for 10 days
Days 10-32 Clomid (300mg day 1, 150mg day 2, 50mg ED thereafter)

This is all Mexican veterinary gear. Australia Boldenon-200 EQ; QV Tenebol-75; Test.-250 (enanathate, not sure of brand); Omifen (clomid); etc. etc.

Constructive criticism is welcomed, please no flaming.

I’m concerned with two things here—the test and its dosage, and my PCT. We’ll start with the test.

I hear a lot about the test flu—what is that specifically and how can I avoid it? Is it ester-specific, or just a sign of lower quality gear?

Also, I have the option of running a conservative 250mg a week of the test E., or using 500. Is 250 OK for a first cycle, or too low for adequate gains? Will I hurt my overall gains (noticeably) if I run 20mg of Nolvadex for the 8 weeks I'm on test?

As far as dosage, I’m concerned with mood swings and the potential for hypertension—I can tolerate sides, but I want to make sure I’m being smart about it. I realize asking about test dosage will yield a dozen different opinions given the controversial nature, but I need experienced feedback.

Lastly, is my PCT correct—specifically the timing of when I start it? It should last me about a month—I think that’s long enough to get everything back online.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I wanted to make sure that I don’t forget to include anything. Thanks for the patience.

-E

 

[Xtream]

Quick briefing: I’m 21, 6’0” 225 10% BF (calipers) been lifting since 13, seriously since 15, diet impeccable. I’ve been researching gear extensively for about 8 months now, taking my time, doing A LOT OF HOMEWORK on it. This is really important to me as it will be my first cycle, so I want to do it right.

I want to put on 20-25lbs of mass using the test and EQ, then lean out and harden up towards the end using the tren, still in conjunction with the EQ. Hopefully that is not too unrealistic of an expectation. Game plan goes something like this:

Weeks 1-10: EQ @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 1-8: Test E. 500mg/wk
Weeks 6-10: Tren A. 75mg EOD

PCT (beginning Week 11--maybe sooner):

H.C.G. 500i.u. ED for 10 days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED for 10 days
Days 10-32 Clomid (300mg day 1, 150mg day 2, 50mg ED thereafter)

This is all Mexican veterinary gear. Australia Boldenon-200 EQ; QV Tenebol-75; Test.-250 (enanathate, not sure of brand); Omifen (clomid); etc. etc.

Constructive criticism is welcomed, please no flaming.

I’m concerned with two things here—the test and its dosage, and my PCT. We’ll start with the test.

I hear a lot about the test flu—what is that specifically and how can I avoid it? Is it ester-specific, or just a sign of lower quality gear?

Also, I have the option of running a conservative 250mg a week of the test E., or using 500. Is 250 OK for a first cycle, or too low for adequate gains? Will I hurt my overall gains (noticeably) if I run 20mg of Nolvadex for the 8 weeks I'm on test?

As far as dosage, I’m concerned with mood swings and the potential for hypertension—I can tolerate sides, but I want to make sure I’m being smart about it. I realize asking about test dosage will yield a dozen different opinions given the controversial nature, but I need experienced feedback.

Lastly, is my PCT correct—specifically the timing of when I start it? It should last me about a month—I think that’s long enough to get everything back online.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I wanted to make sure that I don’t forget to include anything. Thanks for the patience.

-E

Run the eq and enth for 12 weeks, I am running that cycle right now with great results. I would drop the tren bro. For two reasons, your hair loss with the enth and eq will be hard enough to control tren will make you bald, use the 12 weeks off to cut the bulk. With a good diet and lotsa cardio you'll have no problem. Your PCT with enth should start 2-3 weeks after your last shot. I would also take HCG for the 12 weeks, 1000 iu's/week 500 sat, 500 sun. Your enth/eq shots will be mon,thurs. Take the nolva ED bro, don't want man boobs. Won't hinder your gains. Research on loading test enth for the first 2-3 weeks, say 500 mg, then drop to 250 mg. I will be loading it this way my next run, at a higher dose though. If you want to keep the hair you have research hair loss. If you do want to run tren run it at the front, the crash will be softer with the test and eq for support.

 

[escher]

Running the H.C.G. for 12 weeks all through the cycle—won’t that be detrimental, maybe over-stimulate the Leydig cells in my nads? Or will it keep the boys from disappearing during the cycle, and help soften my overall crash at the end? I’ve heard of using HCG this way as a concept, but does it work?

Tren shuts you down that hard, huh? Worse than Deca?
I really wanted it at the end to help cut the fat from the test. I feel like it’d be a waste to cut down at the beginning only to bulk back up for the last 8 weeks, but I HAVE been concerned about the possible crash—what you said makes sense. Tren is out of my system in a few days, rather than a few weeks (actively working, I mean). Just thinking out loud here.

I plan to front-load the test and EQ for the first 3 weeks as they are slow-acting esters, so I definitely agree with you there.

Will my gains be a little leaner using the nolva with the test? Not as good as with arimidex or femara, I’m sure, but how big of a difference does the nolva make in combating estrogen? Just wondering from people’s experience.

Lastly, I never hear the guys on this board talking about hair loss being a problem with gear (except among the older users). I’m 21, no real history of MPB in my family—should I be worried?

Thanks again.

Xtream--is that your torso in the avatar pic?

-E

 

[Bonkme2]

At 21 you prolly don't know how your hair is going to react yet. You prolly won't know until you start your cycle, and it starts to clog your bathtub drain.

That Tren is going to be tough for a first cycle. All the poking will be hard enough. The sides could be a killer. I second the advice to wait.

 

[satchboogie]

i would keep things simple teh first cycle..

choose 1 inj and 1 oral.
but your plan sounds good.. for a second/third cycle.

good luck bro.

 

[Boston Strangler]

I agree with the Idea of sticking to one or two things here. It's your first cycle so you don't need to go crazy. Running test alone and finishing it off with winstrol tabs is what I generally suggest for first timers. You can still run that Enanthate at 500mg/week (for a first cycle you should not do anymore, and may want to lower it a little) for 10 weeks and go 5-10 with winny tabs 50mgs/day. Something like that.....

 

[crfpilot14]

test enth 500mg/wk for 12wks and eq 400mg/wk for 12wks...250test + 200eq every mon and thurs. a-dex 0.5mg eod wk1-12. PCT to start wk 14 with the first 3wks being HCG 1000IU every MWF plus 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid ed. after that 3 wks, carry the nolva and clomid another 2-3wks but change the clomid to eod. this WILL work and you will reach your goal....

 

[help4john]

Test only should be everyone's first cycle. This way you are able to determine the sides and how your body reacts to gear. If you start combining AAS during your first cycle and sides develop, it is very difficult to tell what caused the problem. Having said that, a small dose of oral Winny or Var won't kill you if you feel you absolutely need a second substance.

Test Ent 250-500mg for 10 weeks. Keep Nolvadex on hand....just in case....but doubt you will need it. Too much for PCT....you will only need 500IU MWF for three weeks with 20mg Nolvadex for 5 weeks starting with HCG (don't really need Clomid but you can use it 50mg ED with Nolvadex). This is my opinion and everyone has one when it comes to PCT. Please review the PCT forum especially the posts by Jenetic. You'll need to determine who offers the best advice and then take it from there.

Good luck!

 

[Xtream]

Running the H.C.G. for 12 weeks all through the cycle—won’t that be detrimental, maybe over-stimulate the Leydig cells in my nads? Or will it keep the boys from disappearing during the cycle, and help soften my overall crash at the end? I’ve heard of using HCG this way as a concept, but does it work?

Tren shuts you down that hard, huh? Worse than Deca?
I really wanted it at the end to help cut the fat from the test. I feel like it’d be a waste to cut down at the beginning only to bulk back up for the last 8 weeks, but I HAVE been concerned about the possible crash—what you said makes sense. Tren is out of my system in a few days, rather than a few weeks (actively working, I mean). Just thinking out loud here.

I plan to front-load the test and EQ for the first 3 weeks as they are slow-acting esters, so I definitely agree with you there.

Will my gains be a little leaner using the nolva with the test? Not as good as with arimidex or femara, I’m sure, but how big of a difference does the nolva make in combating estrogen? Just wondering from people’s experience.

Lastly, I never hear the guys on this board talking about hair loss being a problem with gear (except among the older users). I’m 21, no real history of MPB in my family—should I be worried?

Thanks again.

Xtream--is that your torso in the avatar pic?

-E

Nothing shuts me down like deca, if your running deca I would for sure use hcg every weekend.

Yeah thats my progress pic after a sust/tren run.

 

[ericahls]

I agree with keeping your first cycle simple. I would also suggest using test . It will give your body a chance to let YOU know how it will react to steroids. Also use a shorter acting ester like Testosterone Propionate. I suggest this since you don't know how your body will react and you have zero experience with ancillary drugs and familiarity with post-cycle protocol. Remember you are young and I assume that when your 50+ you still would like to cycle. Take it slow.

 

[Bonkme2]

Also use a shorter acting ester like Testosterone Propionate.

Test Prop is still going to be a bitch to shoot every day, or even EOD. I can remember my first couple of shots crippled my glutes for nearly a week. It was hard enough having the balls to do the shots in the glutes, I dreaded having to try quads or something else on my 3rd stick.

I'm not necessarily trying to talk you out of prop, just want to warn you that if this is your first time, you're prolly going to be nervous and pretty sore for a while. You may want to consider something with a little less frequency until you get used to it.

 

[Dantes]

Not a vet - but here are my two cents.

You're coming out of the gates doing way too much.

I would stick with just the 500mg of Ethanate. For a first cycle you are going to get great results as long as you eat right and bust your ass (which I think you do). Tren is some pretty heavy shit that you should save for later in your juicing career. The only thing I might suggest is possibily adding an oral if you want immediate results. (Test Ethanate takes a couple of weeks to kick in)

Good luck, and I hope you save the EQ and the Fina for later cycles.