First cycle (Assistance needed)

[Gokou]

Hey guys (and gals),

Long time "reader", first time "poster" I was hoping some of you could lend a helping hand with some dosage/cycle recommendations. This will be my first cycle, and or course my last . Any feedback provided is greatly appreciated.


Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate @ 250mg/week
Weeks 1-10: Equipoise @ 400mg/week
Weeks 9-13: Winstrol @ 50mg/day

Post cycle:

Weeks 13- 16: HCG: 3000 IU during last week of stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that.

Weeks 15-16: Clomid @ 150mg/day
Weeks 17-19: Clomid @ 100mg/day

The main purpose for the winstrol is to tie me over until I can start the clomid therapy.

I will also have Nolvadex on hand just in case.

And a little about me: I am 6'0", 165lbs, 8%bf. I have been a runner for several years now, so very little mass. I've worked out on and off over the past couple of years, but always low weight, high reps. Now, I wanna put on some mass.

Ideally, I'd like to be at 180-185lbs afterwards. Good muscle definition would be nice, and hopefully the Winstrol will help with that as well.

My weight training will consist of working out each muscle once a week, with heavy weight and low reps (~6). Definitely open for suggestions here.

Diet will consist of high cal/high protein (5000/500)

Since this is my first cycle, I don't want to over due it, so I felt it would be good to keep the test pretty low (250).

So, hopefully that gives you enough information. Please give me your opinions.

Do you think a mid cycle HCG treatment would be a good idea?
Would you change the doses?
etc......

Thanks Guys!

 

[gilly6993]

IMO I would hold off on doing any AS....you've stated you've worked out on and off with light weights.....You can easily put on 20 lbs by eating and training properly....save the juice for when you've reached you're natural limits and at 6' 165 you're no where near that......

 

[jmg141]

I would run:
wk1-10 400mg enanthate
wk1-10 400mg deca
wk 1-4 d-bol 20mged
You should hit 200 easily if you just eat!
Fuck the eq it is too weak unless ran at near 800mg a weeek

 

[solidspine]

I agree with gilly6993


but if you are like me you are going to go for it anyway,


and the gear

you have posted looks like

you have done your homework and its a great first cycle.

 

[Beezers]

I too agree with gilly. If you were a runner your muscle are in for a shock with heavy weight training. Learn how to train heavy and intense first and your body will respond ver quickly at first. Juscie probably won't net you any more gains than an initial switch to "real" weight training will and probably will only lead to an injury. Learning how to PROPERLY train heavy is an aquired skill that takes time to learn. Jumping right into AS now won't help you learn it any faster. You will grow well naturally as your body will respond to the new "shock" of heavy weights. Switching from light weights high reps to heavy weights low reps is like going from running marathons to running the 100. Your body will have no choice but to respond to the new stinulus shich makes for great natural gains. Your body can only do so much so fast and likely you will grow just as fast(to the max of your body's capabilities) naturally here at first as you would on AS. Your cycle looks very good, but honestly I think you would just be wasting money and AS as you will grow at the same rate on or off here in these first few months of heavy training.

 

[Gokou]

Thanks for your feedback so far guys!

 

[Gokou]

btw....I have been working out with heavy weight for the past 3 months, and have actually gone from 150 to 165, so I'm quite happy with that.

My progress has dropped in the past 1/2 month where my gains are slowing now. I want to be at 180-185 (or more) by October, and I just don't see that happening now without a little assistance.

Ideally, I would want to work out for several more months before beginning a cycle, but at least I have a little under my belt.

Bottom line, I will be doing a cycle, but I do appreciate your input as I agree that waiting would be the best bet.

Although I will be doing heavy weight lifting, I'll be cautious to avoid injury, and hopefully I'm keeping the cycle doses low enough to not put too much strain on my body with mass gain.

So, any cycle advice is welcomed, and thanks again guys!

 

[Gokou]

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[Gokou]

<bump> Looking for any additions cycle suggestions.... Thnx in advance.

 

[serge]

Hey guys (and gals),

Long time "reader", first time "poster" I was hoping some of you could lend a helping hand with some dosage/cycle recommendations. This will be my first cycle, and or course my last . Any feedback provided is greatly appreciated.


Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate @ 250mg/week
Weeks 1-10: Equipoise @ 400mg/week
Weeks 9-13: Winstrol @ 50mg/day

Post cycle:

Weeks 13- 16: HCG: 3000 IU during last week of stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that.

Weeks 15-16: Clomid @ 150mg/day
Weeks 17-19: Clomid @ 100mg/day

The main purpose for the winstrol is to tie me over until I can start the clomid therapy.

I will also have Nolvadex on hand just in case.

And a little about me: I am 6'0", 165lbs, 8%bf. I have been a runner for several years now, so very little mass. I've worked out on and off over the past couple of years, but always low weight, high reps. Now, I wanna put on some mass.

Ideally, I'd like to be at 180-185lbs afterwards. Good muscle definition would be nice, and hopefully the Winstrol will help with that as well.

My weight training will consist of working out each muscle once a week, with heavy weight and low reps (~6). Definitely open for suggestions here.

Diet will consist of high cal/high protein (5000/500)

Since this is my first cycle, I don't want to over due it, so I felt it would be good to keep the test pretty low (250).

So, hopefully that gives you enough information. Please give me your opinions.

Do you think a mid cycle HCG treatment would be a good idea?
Would you change the doses?
etc......

Thanks Guys!

i would dump winstol, up test and add arimidex or femera

cycle:

test 500mg/week
eq 400mg/week

arimidex 1mg/eod or femera 2.5mg/eod

diet is excelent

HCG would be ideal to use weeks 13-15, then you switch over to clomids

BTW, test lower then 500mg/week is a waste, with 250mg/week you will be just replacing your natural test production with some minor surplus, so 500mg/week is the way to go, and do take my advice on arimidex/femera; i doubt you will be needing nolvas