First cycle and First post! Help please.

[udham.king]

Hello all!

Hey guys been lurking on the edges of the bodybuilding community for a while. I've finally locked down my diet and workout and am ready for my first cycle.

At this point I already have gyno from adolescence. Here's my cycle.

# Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test weekly
# Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
# Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
# Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

I'm considering running arimidex all the way through at .25 mg ED for the entire cycle. Any advice is more than welcome!

 

[cobracock1979]

stats?

 

[udham.king]

5'11
27 years old
198lbs
about 10% BF

 

[Nelson Montana]

First off, that cycle is three times as long as I'd recommend for a first timer.

If you don't know how you react to clomid you may be in for surprise, especially at those dosages. Add nolva and you may wind up a suicidal unic.

First cycle -- 250 mgs of test for 4 weeks. Use a single 1000iu shot of HCG followed by POST CYCLE, UNLEASHED, 1/4 mg of adex EOD and Sustain for 4 weeks following the course. That will provide a safe landing and you'll keep whatever gains you made.

 

[halfcenturian]

Hello all!

Hey guys been lurking on the edges of the bodybuilding community for a while. I've finally locked down my diet and workout and am ready for my first cycle.

At this point I already have gyno from adolescence. Here's my cycle.

# Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test weekly
# Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
# Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
# Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

I'm considering running arimidex all the way through at .25 mg ED for the entire cycle. Any advice is more than welcome!

Go with Nelson's suggestion. Very good advice!

 

[*The_West*]

how is four weeks of test going to help him at all? unless he is using test prop?

 

[*The_West*]

i know youre a ver accomplished writer and all, but nelson, you sure do say some odd things from time to time.

 

[cobracock1979]

+1 West - All due respect Nelson - but I would hit the test for 8 weeks at 500.

Bros on here sometimes recommend starting at 250mg first cycle but realistically - I dont think I would have grown from that. Definately not enough to warrant busting my ass.

250mg test for four weeks is bad advice IMO Nelson, waste of time, even with prop. I would go for 400mg for 8 weeks.

 

[marcu_s]

i dont see the point in doing a cycle for 4 weeks. what could u get from that?

 

[ajaygill]

no way 250 for 4weeks by the time its going to start kicking in you'd be off

 

[rocmand]

im a newbie,and ive taken test prop 400mg weekly and went from 210 lbs to 231lbs in 5wks/also added deca though,300mgs a week.would have like to continued longing cycle but............................got bad case of gyno.do your self a favor have all nessecary things befoer start of cycle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cardinal Slin]

There is a strong myth around that you must run this substance for x amount of weeks or this substance for y amount of weeks for it to take effect.

Think logically.

It does not just kick in at week 8 and then work from week 8 to week 10 and then stop working. Everything starts working the time it is put in to the body but some substances take a bit longer to build up.

250mgs of test / week for 4 weeks = 1000mgs of test - probably about 750mgs of raw test once the ester has been removed. The thought that 1000mgs of test over 4 weeks will provide no additional benefit over 0mgs of test over the same period lacks serious logical argument.

That is about 500mgs more than naturally produced by the body over the same period of time and trust me, people will grow on it.

I am not saying I advocate a 4 week cycle. I would go for 6-8 weeks for a first cycle but people need to remove this myth that certain things only start working at week x or y.

Oh and just because you stop injections at week 4 - doesnt mean you are not on steroids anymore at week 4. That would probably be around week 7 depending on the ester used.

The fact is many people start seeing results in weeks 5 onwards in terms of muscle growth - understand growth is accumulative and although muscle growth is a continous process, you / people will not notice the growth until it has become significant enough (usually at week 5).

Just my 0.2

 

[littleb]

I also gotta disagree with nelson on this one,, I say 8-10 weeks is perfect.. with prop you can do a 4-6 weeker, but i hate the dailey pokes,,, I prefer long acting test and anything short of 8 weeks and you are not maximizing the drug...
Thats my 2 pennies worth, nelson i am curious to why you would say 4 weeks, if you get a chance let me know brother..

 

[emilio_rebenga]

that cycle seems fine to me bro...a test only cycle is a good 1st choice..you dont know how your body will react

 

[Nelson Montana]

I also gotta disagree with nelson on this one,, I say 8-10 weeks is perfect.. with prop you can do a 4-6 weeker, but i hate the dailey pokes,,, I prefer long acting test and anything short of 8 weeks and you are not maximizing the drug...
Thats my 2 pennies worth, nelson i am curious to why you would say 4 weeks, if you get a chance let me know brother..

Read cardinal sins response above you. He got it right. (Maybe he's read some of my work? )

If you know what you're doing, you can make some nice progress in a month. And it's a maiden voyage. He doesn't have to win Mr. Olympia first time out.

 

[misticat]

First off, that cycle is three times as long as I'd recommend for a first timer.

If you don't know how you react to clomid you may be in for surprise, especially at those dosages. Add nolva and you may wind up a suicidal unic.

First cycle -- 250 mgs of test for 4 weeks. Use a single 1000iu shot of HCG followed by POST CYCLE, UNLEASHED, 1/4 mg of adex EOD and Sustain for 4 weeks following the course. That will provide a safe landing and you'll keep whatever gains you made.

??? what is this?


your cycle is fine... 10 week cycle @ 500mg/week is perfect.

 

[pappad]

For a first cycle I feel you would do really well on 250mgs ew for 10 weeks.