First cycle... Anavar...

[essenpee1770]

Hey all, I'm new here. I'm 23, been training for 6 years, not so serious for the first 2, very serious the last 4.

I'm thinking of running my first cycle in a few months and I think I'm gonna go with Anavar. Yeah I know, the women's steroid lol. I chose Anavar because:

-It's relatively mild. I'm not really scared of roids, but it's my first time and I'm just gonna play it safest.
-Muscle gains are supposedly very dry. I don't want any of that watery BS, I wanna keep most of what I get out of a cycle.
-Gains are seen more in terms of strength. I'm more of a powerlifter, so this is what I'm shooting for.
-There's not much weight gain. Like I said, I'm more of a PLer than a BBer, and I don't wanna gain 20-30 pounds and swell up in a few weeks time, too many questions lol. 5-10 lbs would be MORE than enough for me.

Here's what I have planned out:

Support Supps (Pre-Cycle/Intra-Cycle)
Milk Thistle
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorne Berry
*I'll start loading on all these about 3 weeks before I start my cycle

Cycle
Anavar: 20mg/day for 4-8 weeks (depending on how I feel about it)

PCT
Clomid:
Day 1: 200 mg
Days 2-11: 100 mg/day
Days 12-21: 50 mg/day

Main questions I have are:

-I guess Anavar doesn't aromatize, so would I need to worry about gyno? If so, what should I take to prevent it?
-What is a good shampoo for preventing hair loss? Can't be too careful
-How's my PCT? Should I go with clomid or nolva or does it not matter lol
-How much of the support supps should I take everyday?

Thanks all and I appreciate any help.

 

[rudy76]

Your PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - is horrible.

Never go that high with Clomid. You could do clomid 50mg / day, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg / day plus add in some over the counter supps. Look around on this site, seems that Dermacrine Sustain seems to work well, get some of that.

You could just run Derma 4 pumps / day and Nolvaldex 20mg / day - tamoxifen citrate - which I'm sure most others would say is good for this cycle.

You can get bye using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for gynecomastia, just use it if gynecomastia shows but I would think with anavar it shouldn't be a worry.

Most importantly, read more on this site.

 

[essenpee1770]

Your PCT - post cycle therapy - is horrible.

Never go that high with Clomid. You could do clomid 50mg / day, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg / day plus add in some over the counter supps. Look around on this site, seems that Dermacrine Sustain seems to work well, get some of that.

You could just run Derma 4 pumps / day and Nolvaldex 20mg / day - tamoxifen citrate - which I'm sure most others would say is good for this cycle.

You can get bye using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for gynecomastia, just use it if gynecomastia shows but I would think with anavar it shouldn't be a worry.

Most importantly, read more on this site.

Oh really? Thanks for that about the clomid.... I read that PCT was good as just a basic post cycle dosing. Guess not haha.

And I'll be sure to read. Lots.

 

[rudy76]

Oh really? Thanks for that about the clomid.... I read that PCT - post cycle therapy - was good as just a basic post cycle dosing. Guess not haha.

And I'll be sure to read. Lots.

Also....I would say just do a low dose (250mg / week) of test enanthate for 10 weeks. You can add lean muscle on test with a clean diet and by keeping calorie intake normal. 2000 to 3000 cal / day depending on what your normal is. I'm no Anavar expert but I'm sure 20 mg / day of Anavar is almost a waste. Should be around 60 to 80 mg / day.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

run var ed for 8-10 weeks 40-50mgs first time, for pct you dont need clomid just get dermacrine sustain

peace

 

[holy ghost]

didnt read much of your post but if youre going to run it solo

save up and do
1-10 var 80mg ed

 

[eddymerckx]

i would say wait a few more years--just eat clean and train hard.

 

[xrsist]

why are people recommending 10 weeks of var?

6-8 weeks is plenty. start at 40-50 mg ED and adjust as required.
imo p c t should consist of clomid at 50mg a day for 20-30 days and an o t c supp or two. keep your nolva on hand.
drink plenty of water.
take fish oil supplements.

whats your current diet look like bro?

as always i would recommend a light dose of test with the var. 250-300mg a week for 10 weeks is plenty.

 

[jagerbombme]

i'd stack it with test bro, that was my first cycle, 80mg of var ed, and 500mg test enanthate/cyp mix per week. kick ass cycle. best cycle you'll ever have is your first so why waste the good gains only using something that is gonna add 5-7 pounds. hit that test man. and i wouldn't run that shit past 5-6 weeks. never know what it's doing to your cholesterol. some people it fucks there's up really bad. if your diet and training is good, 250mg of test as stated above would be plenty for a first cycle with minimal sides and awesome gains.

 

[needtogetaas]

why are people recommending 10 weeks of Anavar - oxandrolone - ?

6-8 weeks is plenty. start at 40-50 mg ED and adjust as required.
imo p c t should consist of clomid at 50mg a day for 20-30 days and an o t c supp or two. keep your Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - on hand.
drink plenty of water.
take fish oil supplements.

whats your current diet look like bro?

as always i would recommend a light dose of test with the Anavar - oxandrolone - . 250-300mg a week for 10 weeks is plenty.

I was thinking the same. I would not do 10 weeks of var. No way.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Yea up the var and you only really need some otc for pct. Derma is great. i nevere used derm sustain just the reg with some unleashed and myogenx from protien factory and recovered great. I was on a longer cycle too.

 

[holy ghost]

LOL I RUN VAR FOR 15 WEEKS AT 100mg ED BLOODWORK FINE

 

[philroe]

i would say wait a few more years--just eat clean and train hard.

I second this as well. No offense but why the fuck are you looking to use steroids at age 23? Wait as least until your 25/26 years old, i'm almost 28 and about to start my first anavar cycle for cutting purposes. Just eat clean and train hard man you won't regret it. But hey, to each his own.

 

[funkyfresh]

Would be interesting to hear what people's experiences with Var only cycles have been like in terms of strength gains?

People say it's good for strength and vascularity, but it would be nice to see more examples of what people gained on their lifts..etc. such as how much they added to their squat, bench or deadlift.

I also wanna do Var as a first cycle or stacked with some low dose test. I really just want a nice little strength boost. I'd rather add the size more gradually...so a gain of 7lbs lean muscle sounds great to me!

 

[halfcenturian]

If you have not reached your genetic limit, stay away from steroids. Age 23!

Of course you can do whatever you want. But for a first cycle, Var alone is not the way to go. You will be disapointed. should be stacked IMO.

Go 10 weeks - Test E or C 500mg/wk. 250mg on Monday. 250mg on Thursday.
Save the Var for the last 6 weeks and take 60-80mg/ ED. take your liver supps. Plus Fish/ Flax/ Olive oil. Policosonol. Anavar drops your HDL big time. The oils will balance you out.

I think you are clear on PCT.

 

[essenpee1770]

Thanks all for the comments and advice.

I thought about running test enanthate for my first cycle quite some time ago but I didn't want to gain that much weight, and I hear test will really blow you up... how much weight would I likely gain if I ran test e + anavar?

 

[rudy76]

Thanks all for the comments and advice.

I thought about running test enanthate for my first cycle quite some time ago but I didn't want to gain that much weight, and I hear test will really blow you up... how much weight would I likely gain if I ran testosterone enanthate + anavar?

That's like asking how much weight you will lose if you go on a diet -- ??

The amount and type of food you eat, cardio and lifting routine has more to do with what gains you make that what gear you use.

You can use test to cut if you keep your calories normal and follow a clean diet. There are many great books about this type of diet. I'm fully in to it now and it is working great.

 

[jagerbombme]

Thanks all for the comments and advice.

I thought about running test enanthate for my first cycle quite some time ago but I didn't want to gain that much weight, and I hear test will really blow you up... how much weight would I likely gain if I ran testosterone enanthate + anavar?

dude, it's not gonna make you look like ronny man. take it from these guys here, running var for a first cycle is a fucking waste of the only first cycle you'll ever have. i ran test at 500 ew and var at 80mg ed. if i could go back and do it all over, i'd do this

test at 500, deka at 400, dbol at 30mg for first 4 weeks
test and deka for next 4 weeks
test and deka and primo next 4 weeks

then pct