First Cycle Advise -- Review

[marinehere]

Thanks to all on the board who have helped me out. I am currently 6'4, 195 lbs. This is my proposed first cycle based on info to date: Test 500mg wk 1-10; deca 400mg wh 1-10; winny 50 mg daily wk 5-12; clomid wk 13-15; arimidex.25mg wk 1-15. My questions: what is a realistic gain for this cycle? Is this cycle without front loading too conservative given my size and weight? if front loading is preferred, what amount? My diet will be protein rich with suppliments and protein suppl to be equal in grams to my present weight. Am I on target here? Finally, do I need toalter my regular workout to maximize results besides doing fewer sets with greater weight -- til failure. Sorry for the long post. Semper Fi

 

[ryker77]

Looks good bro. Since it's your first cycle I wouldn't recommend front loading. Your doseage is fine. If you eat enough, sleep enough, train enough (til failure) and live for the gym then you could gain 20-30lbs. And keep a lean body mass gain of at least 15lbs.

Semper Fi

 

[gwl9dta4]

Thanks to all on the board who have helped me out. I am currently 6'4, 195 lbs. This is my proposed first cycle based on info to date: Test 500mg wk 1-10; deca 400mg wh 1-10; winny 50 mg daily wk 5-12; clomid wk 13-15; arimidex.25mg wk 1-15. My questions: what is a realistic gain for this cycle? Is this cycle without front loading too conservative given my size and weight? if front loading is preferred, what amount? My diet will be protein rich with suppliments and protein suppl to be equal in grams to my present weight. Am I on target here? Finally, do I need toalter my regular workout to maximize results besides doing fewer sets with greater weight -- til failure. Sorry for the long post. Semper Fi

OK here goes: No matter what anyone tells you, as a novice i can personally guarantee you a 20-25lb gain in mass from 300-400mg of deca per week with 50mg of Winstroll every Monday and Thursday. That is all you need. Your receptors are fresh and you have no immunity to anabolic medications. You gains with the above dosages will be stellar, providing you eat enough fat/carbs and proteins. The deca and winstroll will hit opposite receptor sites lading to excellent anabolic activity. If you were to use the test your gains will still be 20-25lbs, or close to it, so save it for another cycle.

Regards.

Stay healthy and fit.

 

[Trevdog]

Thanks to all on the board who have helped me out. I am currently 6'4, 195 lbs. This is my proposed first cycle based on info to date: Test 500mg wk 1-10; deca 400mg wh 1-10; winny 50 mg daily wk 5-12; clomid wk 13-15; arimidex.25mg wk 1-15. My questions: what is a realistic gain for this cycle? Is this cycle without front loading too conservative given my size and weight? if front loading is preferred, what amount? My diet will be protein rich with suppliments and protein suppl to be equal in grams to my present weight. Am I on target here? Finally, do I need toalter my regular workout to maximize results besides doing fewer sets with greater weight -- til failure. Sorry for the long post. Semper Fi

Well everybody has their own opinion. I like your cycle. You could gain as much as 30 lbs. I would NOT take the test out by any means, that is the last drug I would remove.

I would front load the test and deca, simply by doubling the dose in the first week. That is assuming you are using ethanate, cyp, or sustenon for test. No need to front load winstrol.

As for total protein, I would go to at least 1.5 grams per lb. of bodyweight per day. I weigh 200 and I am trying for 400 g, I usually get about 350.

I don't believe in altering your training routine very much. You are looking for mass, but I still wouldn't be doing too many sets below 4-6 reps. You may be able to handle slightly more total volume, but don't go crazy, it is very possible to overtrain even on juice.

Good luck. This should turn a trained killer into a much bigger and stronger trained killer.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Re: Re: First Cycle Advise -- Review

OK here goes: No matter what anyone tells you, as a novice i can personally guarantee you a 20-25lb gain in mass from 300-400mg of deca per week with 50mg of Winstroll every Monday and Thursday. That is all you need. Your receptors are fresh and you have no immunity to anabolic medications. You gains with the above dosages will be stellar, providing you eat enough fat/carbs and proteins. The deca and winstroll will hit opposite receptor sites lading to excellent anabolic activity. If you were to use the test your gains will still be 20-25lbs, or close to it, so save it for another cycle.

Regards.

Stay healthy and fit.

No you can't. First of all Winny is an every day drug because of the half life and should be used no les then EOD so 2 days a week makes no sence and is just a stupid comment on your part. Secong you CAN'T guarantee anyone any kind of gains. You have no idea how they will respond to gear. Some respond well off low doses and some don't. There diet is also a huge factor in terms of there gians. Just because something worked for you does NOT mean it will work for someone else.
Marine, That is a good cycle and will a good diet you will blow up. Do not change a thing and just keep your focus on a good diet and your training

M18

 

[shokjosh456]

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No you can't. First of all Winny is an every day drug because of the half life and should be used no les then EOD so 2 days a week makes no sence and is just a stupid comment on your part. Secong you CAN'T guarantee anyone any kind of gains. You have no idea how they will respond to gear. Some respond well off low doses and some don't. There diet is also a huge factor in terms of there gians. Just because something worked for you does NOT mean it will work for someone else.
Marine, That is a good cycle and will a good diet you will blow up. Do not change a thing and just keep your focus on a good diet and your training
100% agree!!

M18

 

[gwl9dta4]

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No you can't. First of all Winny is an every day drug because of the half life and should be used no les then EOD so 2 days a week makes no sence and is just a stupid comment on your part. Secong you CAN'T guarantee anyone any kind of gains. You have no idea how they will respond to gear. Some respond well off low doses and some don't. There diet is also a huge factor in terms of there gians. Just because something worked for you does NOT mean it will work for someone else.
Marine, That is a good cycle and will a good diet you will blow up. Do not change a thing and just keep your focus on a good diet and your training

M18

Good to hear from you mustang. I would like to comment on my, well comment . Winstroll is a interesting medication. It is administered to patients with severe wasting and lack of apetite. This drug is administered at a rate of about 50mg per week. No winstroll is not an everyday drug, although this is the common information circulating in the underground. Winstroll's half life is about 24-48 hours depending on the individuals metabolism. basically you can compare stanozolol's action to that of a drug with a phelyproprionate ester. Trust me on these facts as i have access to the wonderfull doctors in my family as well as their interesting medical text. Now you certainly CAN take it everyday, but you will only acheve you results quicker, meaning they will not be any better just quicker. With 2 ampules a week the hardness and strenght will come on very gradually, thus having less influx on the body's hormonal axis and making the gains more keepable. We have experimented with this dosage on several first timers and ALL results were very positive, which was certainly to be expected according to all the drug data available through legitimate medical channels.
As to your other comments on my guarantees, you're right i can't gurantee anything. But based in the gentlemans height and weight currently, also taking into account weight training experience, diet and training you can safely make a hypothesis on the type of gains his frame can support. But there is always an exception. Please let him try a lower dose cycle and see how he responds, hell you can always increase the dosage that's a no brainer. But he just may find out that he responds VERY nicely to low to moderate stacks and there is no need to stress the body with stronger compounds like testosterone for quite some time. And leaving testosterone for later does leave a lot of freeplay for later gains.

Sincerely
gwl9dta4.

 

[shokjosh456]

if you wanna get technical,studies have shown considerable amount of muscle growth with low dosages of all types of AS.such as EQ,winny,test.deca,primo,etc... i could go on an on.most studies are done with low dosages.but we all know you can get better and faster muscle growth with larger amounts.If i have a headache,i can take 500mg painreliever(tylenol) and ease the pain,but 1000mg rids the headache and even slight muscle pain completely.see where im going.im not saying mass amounts,just a little higher than prescibed amount if you will.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Re: Re: Re: Re: First Cycle Advise -- Review

Good to hear from you mustang. I would like to comment on my, well comment . Winstroll is a interesting medication. It is administered to patients with severe wasting and lack of apetite. This drug is administered at a rate of about 50mg per week. No winstroll is not an everyday drug, although this is the common information circulating in the underground. Winstroll's half life is about 24-48 hours depending on the individuals metabolism. basically you can compare stanozolol's action to that of a drug with a phelyproprionate ester. Trust me on these facts as i have access to the wonderfull doctors in my family as well as their interesting medical text. Now you certainly CAN take it everyday, but you will only acheve you results quicker, meaning they will not be any better just quicker. With 2 ampules a week the hardness and strenght will come on very gradually, thus having less influx on the body's hormonal axis and making the gains more keepable. We have experimented with this dosage on several first timers and ALL results were very positive, which was certainly to be expected according to all the drug data available through legitimate medical channels.
As to your other comments on my guarantees, you're right i can't gurantee anything. But based in the gentlemans height and weight currently, also taking into account weight training experience, diet and training you can safely make a hypothesis on the type of gains his frame can support. But there is always an exception. Please let him try a lower dose cycle and see how he responds, hell you can always increase the dosage that's a no brainer. But he just may find out that he responds VERY nicely to low to moderate stacks and there is no need to stress the body with stronger compounds like testosterone for quite some time. And leaving testosterone for later does leave a lot of freeplay for later gains.

Sincerely
gwl9dta4.

So what you are saying is...You can gains just ask much doing say 100mg/week of Winnt for lets say 12 weeks as you can taking 350mg/week for say 6-8 weeks ? I find that very hard to belive. Yes that low dose may be very good for patients with some kind os illneses but you need much more then that for the gains and goals that one may have while on a cycle trying to gain good muscle mass

M18

 

[Andy13]

You don't get immune to different AAS meds..

ANY drug you take should be divided up throughout the week

Andy

 

[mlomker]

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So what you are saying is...You can gains just ask much doing say 100mg/week of Winnt for lets say 12 weeks as you can taking 350mg/week for say 6-8 weeks ?

I'm surprised that anyone can cost-justify winny depot ED. It costs as much as ox at an effective dose.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

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I'm surprised that anyone can cost-justify winny depot ED. It costs as much as ox at an effective dose.

All depends who your source is and what kind of winny you use

M18

 

[shokjosh456]

bump