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Link80

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I am 19, 5'10" 200 13%bf. I have been lifting for 5 years and researching steriods for about 2. My goal is to gain some quality size and keep bf down. There is always talk about age and taking gear on the boards. Do you truly think it would be a poor decision for me to start my first cycle?? I have been contemplating since day one. I am also prone to mpb already starting to thin in back. I was thinking about starting with something mild....
250mg's SUS 1-10
Clomid
Do you think these doses are too low????? Most everyone just recomends deca dbol and sus, I don't think i need that much. I also want to stay away from deca. I was thinking about adding some EQ at 400mg's with the SUS at 250mg. Any advice appreciated.
 
then use proviron with it or winny......you can get progesterone gyno from eq as well and anadrol....anyway run a 250mg sust
400mg eq cycle for ten weeks....frontload the sust to get the benefits of the fast acting esters....throw in some dbol if you want and you got a good cycle....the test and eq is ok alone but gains will be slow and gradual....i'd personally use the dbol for a kickstart but you might want to stay away from it if its your first cycle...
 
Johnny, can't get prog. gyno from EQ, I think your are thinking about fina and anadrol. Also winny nor proviron has been proven to do anything to prevent this. I know this first hand.

Link, if you are worried about mpb than stay away from the test and dbol(if its that big of a concern). Might want to consider a milder cycle and see how it goes. I would look at:

week 1-10 400mg EQ
week 6-13 50mg ED Winny

Clomid post

This would give you a nice gain in strength as well as quality muscle mass.

-Mass-
 
Johnny, can't get prog. gyno from EQ

yup..eq doesnt convert to progesterone.

i dont think it is a good idea to use sust for a first cycle, esspecially at 250mg/wk. the reasoning is there are two fast acting esters in it, so for best results it needs to be take eod. i say get some test enanthate or test cypionate and try that at 250mg/wk. make sure you have your clomid before you start your cycle. you will have great gains. pm me if you have any questions.
 
Hey bro,

Im in the same boat with you.

IMO I would make your first cycle an awesome one. It is your best. 19 is a bit young, but that said, make the decision on your own. You seem very intelligent.

I would do this.

500 mg sustanon/enanthate (either or) x 10 weeks.

I would keep nolvadex on hand or run this with liquidex 1 mg EOD or 1 mg ED to be safe.

Throw in some dbol if you want. If you add the dbol. You will explode. My guess is, based on my experience that those of a few friends, you can expect about a 35 lb gain from 25 mg dbols x 5 weeks and sustanon x 500 mg for 10 weeks assuming you are eating 2 g protein / lb bodyweight / day and getting your 4200 cals a day.

Good luck.

NFG
 
my first cycle was 250mgs of sos for 8 weeks with hcg after words. Man do i wish i knew what i knew now back then!
I would have at least doubled that and blown up! I also agree w/jc 21 that enanthate cypionate would be a better choice!
 
First of all you are too young for roids young bro. You may still be growing. Some guys grow until 20-21. If you use ANY roid then your growth plates in your long bones will fuse and you will not grow another cm.

You need to train naturally until you are at least 21 in my opinion.

If you insist then do this cycle.....

Test cyp or enanthate at 300 mg per week with biweekly injections. Add Eq at 300 to this mix and inject biweekly as well. You can mix them in the same syringe but don't inject more than 3cc in one spot as more than this can result in an abscess. Inject 150 each twice per week as this will result in more even blood levels and give better results. It will also help reduce hormone spiking which can trigger sides. The mix of EQ and test will give almost the same gains as 600 of test per week yet it will keep the overall androgen content down due to the EQ and thus sides down too. You probably will not need to use nolvadex with this cycle as 300 of test is not a lot and eq doesn't aromatize nearly as much as test, however, have Nolva on hand and take 20 mg per day if the tips of your nipples start to even begin to get sensitive to the touch!

Run this cycle for 8-10 weeks. You need to start clomid about 18 days after your last shot of eq. You need to have your androgen levels drop to near normal levels before starting clomid as EQ has a longer half life than either test cyp or enanthate. Start clomid at 300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50 mg per day for at least three weeks. If you have trouble "raising wood" and maintaining it then you have not recovered your natural test production and need to stay on clomid for another week or so.

Inject with a 27 gauge pin and a syringe no bigger than 3cc(for ease of plunger push) All oil based roids will go through a 27 but it takes a little time. Inject in the upper outer glute area. You won't even feel the 27.

You will probably see little in the way of sides from this cycle other than a small amount of bloat and perhaps a little acne on the back and chest.
Some hair loss will happen bro since you have the genetics for it.
Nandrolone is a very mild androgen and a decent builder and at doses up to 400 mg per week almost nobody gets any sides to speak of and that includes progesterone gyno. Nandrolone is also the only roid that is quite easy on the hair line. It can and does cause hair loss in the sensitive though. Nandrolone is the hardest hormone to recover natural test levels from and it doesn't matter if test is used with it. Bill Llewellyn will soon release a study that suggests that nandrolone desensitizes the testes to LH. Clomid therapy needs to start about three weeks after your last shot of nandrolone in the deca ester and it needs to continue for 4 weeks. So you could use deca 300 and test 300 but I would prefer the Eq.

You really need to up caloric intake while "on". Protein intake needs to be very high as well. I would consume at leat 250 grams of protein per day but more would be even better.

You could add some d-bol to this cycle for the first couple weeks as it will take this long for optimum blood levels to be reached with the test and eq. D-bol at 30 mg per day in 4-5 divided doses would add a good kick to the cycle but be warned d-bol is a strong androgen and sides will likely come on with the combo of test and d-bol, including hair loss. Never run d-bol for longer than 4 weeks as it is 17a and as such it is hard on the liver.

SO......test 300, Eq 300 and d-bol 30 per day for a couple weeks is a pretty kick ass cycle for a young newbie of your size....it is more than enough. Actually the test and eq is enough for decent gains.

You need to start low like this so you can elaluate how your body reacts.....you have plenty of time as you get older to use higher doses.

About the hair loss....cut your hair VERY short and then use my home made spironolactone cream(do a search) Spiro is a great anti androgen and can stop all hair loss while on roids and testosterone.

Don't expect any juice to help reduce body fat bro(some say tren may though but this is not a sure thing) I fact the estrogen conversion from Test and Eq and d-bol will likely cause a slight fat gain especially while on a heavy diet.
You need to use roid that do aromatize at all in order to see absolutely no fat gain.

Don't do juice yet bro.




:)
 
Johnny, can't get prog. gyno from EQ

sorry fellas....o thought i read somewhere that at high doses it would convert...my bad....but dudes on here have said that winny will help cut down on gyno from deca....anyway my mistake....good luck ith your stack
 
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