First cycle. (3 month bulk)

[AkThunder]

Just got done with first cycle.

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The cycle included Test E, Test P, Tren A and Sdrol.

My diet started out at 4500 cals a day and then at the end I had adjusted to 6000 cals a day.

I will post some more info on my diet, training routine, and cycle info tomorrow about to head to sleep.

And im sure I am going to get a bunch of people saying thats too much for a first cycle but I did ALOT of research and had all the right precautionary meds. Did not get gyno or injure myself.

Starting weight 158, end weight 205.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Yeah, too much. You obviously dont have a fucking clue about more AAS doesnt = better gains for a first cycle. I feel bad for you because you're going to keep piling on because you think you've got it all figured out. I'm sure your PCT looks great too Or did you not bother to run one? Let me guess....clomid and nolva?

Saddest part is you started the cycle skinny as shit and ended up looking like you would have looked with a little hard work and no AAS. Looking at your starting pics as being a reflection of your experience level you had no business touching AAS. Another noob looking for a quick fix. Cant wait to see what you look like in another 10 weeks when you crash and it hurts to train and all that extra lubrication in your joints from the AAS is gone.
In awaiting your training split I would wager you dont squat or deadlift. Or you're one who does half rep squats and round back/ass too high deads. Because based on your first pics you have been training what...6 mos if that??
Why would some of us say its too much? Because we want to be your dad? Or maybe because we know a lot more about this shit than you do. Just your disclaimer smells of "roids are a magic pill" . You do realize most of the weight you gained (since you had no base to start with) was water.
I cant wait to see the doses you ran. I'm sure you'll be getting bloods done after PCT too. Oh and I dunno about that "not get gyno" thing. Looks like your nips are a little puffy to me where they arent in your before pics. Hope thats just water.

So yeah....congrats....great job.

 

[smalljohn]

ouch, shit, burnthiscorpse. Chill out man, you knocked me over too. I agree with you, now 40 pounds gained, your diet, training and pct sure as hell should be spot on. Even then.. Good luck!
Your conditioning at your new weight is 0 and it will keep dive below that.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

ouch, shit, burnthiscorpse. Chill out man, you knocked me over too. I agree with you, now 40 pounds gained, your diet, training and pct sure as hell should be spot on. Even then.. Good luck!
Your conditioning at your new weight is 0 and it will keep dive below that.

Yeah I'll chill out... when people start getting some common sense. I'd love to know where all this "A LOT of research" came from or what retards advice it was to run tren on a first cycle. But then he did "A LOT" of research....so he obviously knew that if he got gyno or gyno like symptoms while on a first cycle running test and a 19 nor AAS that he would immediatley be able to distinguish what was causing it and thus take the proper ancillaries to combat it. Oh, wait...no...he wouldnt know.
So if he was smart...which the first post doesnt elude to not to mention the real lack of any details, therefore we must speculate and when you have seen as many posts just like this as I have you tend to speculate on the negative side because 90% of the time thats always the case...but if he was smart he was running caber and not overdoing it on the AI.
Why? WHy all the attitude? Because at any given time during the day there are two kids just like this in my gym doing it all wrong in every possible way. Not to mention 12 years of reading posts just like this.

 

[bonacris]

How tall are you.. you dont look 205lbs.

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[Essie]

Oh Geez. Running so many compounds on a first cycle! Who knows, maybe you are one of the VERY FKN FEW lucky ones to get away with this shit, but what bothers me now is that somewhere, someday some other little dipshit is going to think of running this cycle for a first one, thinking that Roids is fkn Charlie with his magic rainbow castle ... do a little quick google search, discover this post, read it, figure "Hey Mofo, he did it and SO CAN I" ... and end up all screwed up for life. AKThunder, please do post up the following:

Age:
Height:
Training Routine:
Cycle Dosages:
Cycle length:
PCT Compounds and planned dosages:
PCT Length:

Bro, you could have made ALL the gains you made now all natural, just by eating right (and enough), training correctly and resting enough. Even now that you have made all these gains, if you don't PCT properly, keep on eating enough, keep on training (which WILL be SO MUCH harder once the gear gets outta your system) and keep resting enough, you will lose just about every ounce you gained.

Please, for your own sake, go and have bloods done, post them here (I'll probably rip you some more once they are posted) so we can see and formulate a road going forward ... otherwise your body's whole hormonal system will be out of whack and you could possible never recover fully from it.

 

[Essie]

Yeah I'll chill out... when people start getting some common sense. I'd love to know where all this "A LOT of research" came from or what retards advice it was to run tren on a first cycle. But then he did "A LOT" of research....so he obviously knew that if he got gyno or gyno like symptoms while on a first cycle running test and a 19 nor AAS that he would immediatley be able to distinguish what was causing it and thus take the proper ancillaries to combat it. Oh, wait...no...he wouldnt know.
So if he was smart...which the first post doesnt elude to not to mention the real lack of any details, therefore we must speculate and when you have seen as many posts just like this as I have you tend to speculate on the negative side because 90% of the time thats always the case...but if he was smart he was running caber and not overdoing it on the AI.
Why? WHy all the attitude? Because at any given time during the day there are two kids just like this in my gym doing it all wrong in every possible way. Not to mention 12 years of reading posts just like this.

LOL!!!!! Corpse ... you running Tren at all at the moment? LOTTA aggression Bro!

 

[bonacris]

LOL!!!!! Corpse ... you running Tren at all at the moment? LOTTA aggression Bro!

He says it like it is..

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[AkThunder]

Yeah, too much. You obviously dont have a @#!*% clue about more AAS doesnt = better gains for a first cycle. I feel bad for you because you're going to keep piling on because you think you've got it all figured out. I'm sure your PCT looks great too Or did you not bother to run one? Let me guess....clomid and nolva?

Saddest part is you started the cycle skinny as @#!*% and ended up looking like you would have looked with a little hard work and no AAS. Looking at your starting pics as being a reflection of your experience level you had no business touching AAS. Another noob looking for a quick fix. Cant wait to see what you look like in another 10 weeks when you crash and it hurts to train and all that extra lubrication in your joints from the AAS is gone.
In awaiting your training split I would wager you dont squat or deadlift. Or you're one who does half rep squats and round back/ @#!*% too high deads. Because based on your first pics you have been training what...6 mos if that??
Why would some of us say its too much? Because we want to be your dad? Or maybe because we know a lot more about this @#!*% than you do. Just your disclaimer smells of "roids are a magic pill" . You do realize most of the weight you gained (since you had no base to start with) was water.
I cant wait to see the doses you ran. I'm sure you'll be getting bloods done after PCT too. Oh and I dunno about that "not get gyno" thing. Looks like your nips are a little puffy to me where they arent in your before pics. Hope thats just water.

So yeah....congrats....great job.

I knew this was going to happen so I do deserve it. You are right in alot of areas, but let me give you a little bit more info as to what went on. My original first cycle was going to be Test E and Test P only. It was supposed to look like this.

Test E- 250mg Mon/Thur WK 1-12
Test P 100mg EOD WK 1-2 and 12-14
Adex EOD .5mg (did E3D cuz EOD was to much) WK 1-14
HCG Blast 500mg ED for 10 days till PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
DAA

This was what I was supposed to run for my first cycle. But after about a week in I had a buddy who kept telling me these horror stories he was having about him using tren and even though he is a seasoned cycler he cant handle it. I laughed at him and told him that he just needed to tweak his dosages etc and not to be a @#!*% . And in a fit of tren rage he told me he isnt a @#!*% . He was gonna come off and he would give me his last 3 vials to use and if I could handle it I would get 3 free vials and he would buy my next cycle.

I had already been reading heavily for a while about all AAS but especially tren. And I believed if I ran a low test dose 250mg a week and a higher tren dose 50mg-75mg a day I could handle the sides. So being the competitive guy I am and wanting to show my boy who is 240 at 8% up. I took the challenge. So this is what my cycle ended up changing too.

Test E- 250mg Mon/Thur WK 1-12
Test P 100mg EOD WK 1-2 and 12-14
Tren A 50mg ED WK 2-4 (sides were nowhere to be seen so increased)
Tren A 75mg ED WK 4-10
Caber 1mg Twice weekly
Adex EOD .5mg (did E3D cuz EOD was to much) WK 1-14
HCG Blast 500mg ED for 10 days till PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
DAA

Was this a good idea? I thought so at the time. Do I regret it now? Only time will tell. I only got very minor sides running tren like this and with caber I had no prolactin issues at all. You said in a post that if I was experiencing problems I wouldnt know what was causing it be the test or 19-nor. Well I am more about preventing things, not waiting to see if I get problems then act. So I took my Adex and Caber religiously and experienced no issues. I am holding some water because Test E is known to causing some bloating so my nips are puffy. But i have no lump whatsoever under any of my nips.

After coming off the tren my strength dropped alot and I was riding high so I took up an offer to grab some free Sdrol. So again my cycle changed to this.

Test E- 250mg Mon/Thur WK 1-12
Test P 100mg EOD WK 1-2 and 12-14
Tren A 50mg ED WK 2-4 (sides were nowhere to be seen so increased)
Tren A 75mg ED WK 4-10
Sdrol 10mg twice a day WK 10-14
Caber 1mg Twice weekly
Adex EOD .5mg (did E3D cuz EOD was to much) WK 1-14
HCG Blast 500mg ED for 10 days till PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
DAA
TUDCA 250mg with each Sdrol Tab
Liv-52
NAC

I will say this much I DO regret taking the Sdrol it made me super lethargic and killed my appetite. Where as tren did the exact opposite to me. I really struggle consuming 6k cals a day on Sdrol.

Heres a little pre-cycle history. I recently got out of prison and was doing insanity in prison so I was extremely lean due to completing 2 cycles of that program. There was nothing else to do in prison so I cut down alot. I am usually 175-180, and having been training for 2 years in prison. I am an ecto-morph and prison food does not suit ecto's for growth. You are correct I didnt squat or Deadlift when I cycled and that was for a good reason. Due to super @#!*% prison weight equipment I had a muscle imbalances in my legs and shoulders. And if you squat or deadlift with muscle imbalances it is not safe at all and chances for injury are elevated tenfold.

My goal on this cycle was 3 things. 1, see how my body reacts to AAS. 2, Correct muscle imblances using dumbells and isolation excersises. And 3, gain my size back and put on 10 more pounds. Overall I reached every goal I set out to achieve.

Age-25
Height-6'
Starting weight-158 7-8%BF
Ending Weight-205 10-11%BF

TRAINING SPLIT
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Legs
Wednesday-Back
Thursday-Arms
Friday-Shoulders
Sat-Off
Sun-Off

Diet
600g Carbs
350-400g Protein
150-175g Fats
Eggs,milk,bagels,peanut butter,chicken breast,tuna,peanuts,yogurt,bread and weight gain shakes made up my diet. I ate same @#!*% everyday.I only use a PWO whey shake and creatine as supps aswell as a @#!*% load of vitmains.

Opti-men,Cran Concentrate,Fish Oil,Red Yeast Rice,Taurine (back pumps)

I will be getting bloods done post PCT and have that already set up through labcorp.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Many of the things you did around the cycle are good. It would have been nice to know some of these details up front.

Biggest problems are a) you had zero base. 6' 150+ lb is a fucking twig running AAS at that point is stupid.

Running as much AAS as you did again....was fucking stupid. Tren on a first cycle? Fine....but you should have run tren alone. Or test alone. Its not just gyno symptoms that you have to worry about.
With the tren you ran 50mg ed and didn't see sides so you increased it. That is the problem. More is better mentality. This is a disease with first cycle noobs. 50mg of tren A ED is a very respectable dose that even vets run. SO why did you need more?
500mg of test a week is way more than necessary for a first cycle. Then throw test P on top of it. Why? Because you were impatient? SO at one point your on apx 800+ mg test wk and 350 mg tren A wk. On a first cycle. This makes you the poster child for noobs that abuse AAS. The simple truth is even though you were skinny as a twig you would have made the same gains on a simple 300mg test wk. I cannot express in words how stupid of a first cycle this was to run. You set yourself up for future failure. The cycle layout itself was fine. If it was your 4th or 5th cycle. What do you do now? Run a gram of AAS weekly every cycle now? More proof of the wrong mentality is piling on. There was no need for superdrol at the end but you figured why not add more. Why? Cause you wanted to show up "your boy"?
I see guys on their 5th or 6th cycle not running as much as you did for a first cycle and making consistant great gains every cycle.
Someone who cannot squat or deadlift shouldn't be using AAS. It would have been wise to correct your muscle imbalances beforehand.

 

[Cipp21]

So let me get this straight... You were SEVERELY underweight and inexperienced, say you did loads of research and still ran two incredibly harsh compounds with an ancient PCT, and placed a fucking bet on your health running tren?

Muscle imbalances are no excuse to puss out on the hard lifts...even then there's no way you had any kind of "muscle imbalances" when you had no fucking muscle to begin with. Insanity doesn't count as training, my girlfriend does it to slim down before summer...

Even if you had been at 180-190 you still wouldn't have had enough base to run a cycle, even now after running all that shit you still don't. You'll be lucky to even keep part of what you've gained.

I'm normally not one to rip on people, but what you did breaks off the charts on stupidity and even now your trying to defend your actions. If you had done the research you said you did you would've known that you were not ready, and even then you'd have at least some idea of how to cycle safely. This is not steroid use, this is steroid ABUSE and that is why you will find no love here. The only good that I see in any of this is that you ran proper ancillaries, but that does not mean what you did was safe.

 

[Essie]

... ... ... ... *sound of crickets in the background* ... ... ... ... Okay ... just about everything required to be said ... has been said. I hop you take heed of the words of wisdom preached here. Get your training routine squared away ... I strongly suggest you look into Mehdi's Stronglifts 5x5 program ... stick with that until you can shift decent weight all-round and then take things from square-one on here. Get a decent cycle together, post it for tweaks and critique and let the steam-locomotive roll BABY!!!!!

 

[gatemoney]

What neg sides did you experience?
Did you have post cycle blood work done to make sure you have recovered?
That kind of weight gain is pretty remarkable even with that amount of aas. I would have to suggest that it is going to be almost impossible for you to hold onto any of it though.

 

[AkThunder]

What neg sides did you experience?
Did you have post cycle blood work done to make sure you have recovered?
That kind of weight gain is pretty remarkable even with that amount of aas. I would have to suggest that it is going to be almost impossible for you to hold onto any of it though.

The only sides I got from tren where disturbed sleep,increased aggression and hair shedding but not on the hairline. I love tren and will always add it to my cycle from now on. Sdrol gave me lethergy and killed my appetite, I will never use Sdrol again.

As far as what everyone has said you guys are all correct. I do have the more is better mentality. And I used AAS to get to where I could of gotten naturally, just alot quicker.
My next cycle that my boy will buy will be in the summer. Going to try a cut after I continue to bulk till then.

 

[Essie]

Hey Thunda,

I was just wondering if you got those bloods yet? I would like to see how you recovered, as it would be critical in planning your future cycles.

 

[smalljohn]

My goal on this cycle was 3 things. 1, see how my body reacts to AAS. 2, Correct muscle imblances using dumbells and isolation excersises. And 3, gain my size back and put on 10 more pounds. Overall I reached every goal I set out to achieve.

I like this.

1. This is what burnthiscorpse was on about. Its a darn good idea and THE best idea to start 1 compound so see how you react to it, so you can spot the differences between how you reach to the different hormones. You dont see how you reach to "steroids" but now you obviously know how you respond to trenbolone and test with the right acillaries, but you can't pin point anything clearer than that.

2. hmm, while ON steroids? You dont think you can play with any sort of weight just for the sake of common sense? The body and its imbalances doesnt magically vapor out of existance and out of the way of problems quicker with an approach like that. With that ammount of gear you dont think you made any new imbalances whatsoever? You just did the right thing i guess.

3. Grats, you got the size back? What? With more? Some tough azZZ nuts ye got cracking there, son.

I wonder how's it been though. It was most certainly an awesome cycle, but without squats and deadlifts WHATYASAY!! Can't be curl monkey'ing all day to glory thats for sure. Bloodwork?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Yeah I'm with everyone else here, and I honestly don't see 50 lbs. in those pics, your arms look a little bigger but that's about it.

 

[bigdeem]

Lol man. I got to 220 12% ish at 6'0 naturally before even touching sarms. You're a fool for even thinking of running a cycle with your starting stats. I was also around 160 about 6 years ago. You should try putting in some work.

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[Mr. Chicago]

^^^ Agreed, when I was in high school I went from about 145 freshman year to 230 before I started my junior year. Granted I was well over 6 foot tall but still I ate and trained like an animal without even a single supplement, let alone aas. No one wants to put in the work which is obvious, but also no one wants to fucking eat! I would go through damn near a gallon of milk a day, frozen pizzas, cartons of eggs and shit tons of oatmeal. When you only weigh 150 and want to gain weight why are people always so afraid to fucking eat and train hard enough for the right to eat whatever you want to put on size. My mom used to scream at me when she got up in the a.m. looking to make a bowl of cereal and even though she just bought a gallon of milk the day before it was gone haha I would be jogging to 7 eleven at 630 to grab another one but I didn't give a shit cause I knew I was going to be needing it that day anyway. AAS is not a shortcut and I can almost guarantee if we were to hear back from this kid he would be back down to 150 where he started.